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The ad-based internet is dying, and it's getting worse in the process [video]

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Re: The ad-based internet is dying, and it's getting worse in the process [video]

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His two examples are Twitter and Reddit whose ad revenue is dying because those two companies have made huge blunders. Elon seems to almost actively be killing Twitter (which the poster even states). Reddit screwed Apollo and then many of the most popular subreddits protested and did things like show porn on otherwise usually SFW content to prevent Reddit from showing ads and thus killing their profits. Those are big…

I keep asking this because I don’t understand - how is Elon “killing” twitter? I’ve frankly not seen any difference, at all. If anything there’s slightly more activity

Everywhere online is pronouncing twitter dead, but I agree. As a user, it seems more alive and vibrant than ever.

Re: The ad-based internet is dying, and it's getting worse in the process [video]

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I am eternally grateful to the hippies who created the Internet, open protocols and all that, but I think making everything free was a mistake, which opened the door for advertising (and the tracking that goes with it) to step in and fill the gap.

If Google search was subscription from day one, how different would the world be now?

Re: The ad-based internet is dying, and it's getting worse in the process [video]

#133

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I keep asking this because I don’t understand - how is Elon “killing” twitter? I’ve frankly not seen any difference, at all. If anything there’s slightly more activity

One thing he has done is push the paid replies to the top of every tweet. So now every tweet is full of low quality replies at the top and you have to scroll to find the higher quality ones below.

I don't personally agree with your observation, but setting that aside, would you consider that (pushing the paid replies to the top) the definition of "killing" Twitter?

Re: The ad-based internet is dying, and it's getting worse in the process [video]

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I think fiat is dying and all the bond values are going to zero which will prevent the big megacorps from paying their bills. That collapse is a better explanation of the curious, brand-destroying things these companies have done recently.

I noticed recently YouTube made it REALLY hard for me to download an mp4 for a video using VLC.

Now if I were a betting man, and the collapse of Google were imminent, I'd bet that in liquidation, they'd want to charge to get an offline copy of the videos they store. Soooo, in the meantime before the collapse, they're making it painful/time consuming to download their videos so they can max out their post-meltdown profits.

Make backups of your fav's while you can.

Re: The ad-based internet is dying, and it's getting worse in the process [video]

#135
post #112

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Everyone understands that ads pay for sites. You can want something for free while still understanding how adverts work.

Honest question: how can you expect stuff for free without ads?

Depends on the definition of "for free".

Depending on where one lives, but many people have access to "free" government services, ranging from roads, education, unemployment security, healthcare, and more. The costs of these services are payed by taxes.

Some "free" services are sustained via donations. Wikipedia is a good example of this.

Some people might say that those are not examples of "for free", because someone is paying for those things, either via taxes or donations. They do have a cost for society. Yes, but in that case then ad-based services are not free either: the advertisers are putting the money to run those services, and the society is also paying a huge cost in thousand of hours of people's lives wasted down the drain, promotion of harmful products, scams, etc.

Re: The ad-based internet is dying, and it's getting worse in the process [video]

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I'm not going to watch this entire video. I just want to ask, what the fuck is going on with those disgusting body horror ads we see all over the internet? Close ups of pimples and wounds and bizzare diagrams of human anatomy that all appear designed specifically to draw the eye (at any cost) but personally just repulse me. There's a whole cross section of websites I won't visit, including some major news sites, beca…

I'm gonna join the 2 other commenters to say: stop using Google Chrome.

Re: The ad-based internet is dying, and it's getting worse in the process [video]

#137
post #5

His two examples are Twitter and Reddit whose ad revenue is dying because those two companies have made huge blunders. Elon seems to almost actively be killing Twitter (which the poster even states). Reddit screwed Apollo and then many of the most popular subreddits protested and did things like show porn on otherwise usually SFW content to prevent Reddit from showing ads and thus killing their profits. Those are big…

The real issue IMO is that users do not understand that ads pay for their apps. They don't want to see ads and the ads they do see they want them to be uninformed and general. They want everything free. This just encourages subscriptions. Which we're seeing become more and more common.

> The real issue IMO is that users do not understand that ads pay for their apps

Because it does not make any sense. No one wants to be shown something he does not find interesting or important, even if they say that they will. So if you believe people should watch, read, or listen to your ads, you've been living in a bubble.

> They want everything free.

It would be nice if everything were free, but only small children believe that. People know they got to pay for cars, houses, clothes, and education. And they do because it's valuable. They also pay for apps that are valuable to them. If they don't use something unless it's free, that's because its value is 0.

> This just encourages subscriptions.

There are subscriptions in the real world, like phone, internet, and electricity. I do not mind subscriptions, for music streaming, or apps that require continuous maintenance (support fees). But most apps are done (or should be, apart from the bugs) and they should just provide a license. New feature requests should be added to the backlog for the new version.

Take Duolingo, I could have paid $3 a month for the service (that's their value to me). But no way, I'm paying $7 a month. However, they say: "Hey, you can use it for free". So, I do. And the ads are just so ugly that they bring the whole app down to their level. So now, I'm even less appreciative of their service. And when the ads will get too irritating, I will just stop using their "free" service. And I've paid the 273 dollars for a Michel Thomas course. Because no ads, just good content.

Re: The ad-based internet is dying, and it's getting worse in the process [video]

#138
post #60

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That is horrifying

That little animation at the end, was there a panel of her going to a gynecologist and a green mist coming from her? The older I get, the more I can see what Ayn Rand was getting at.

Please resist the urge to go that direction with it

Genuinely, and I’m horrified of all of this, but it’s really something we can change, it’s not hopeless don’t give up humanity.

Re: The ad-based internet is dying, and it's getting worse in the process [video]

#139
post #70

I work in the ad industry. I have some expertise both on witnessing the alleged decline and counter-acting it. Before anyone asks about my moral compass I do not like ads, I never have, but they're an inevitability. The problems big ad tech face are unique and very hard especially w.r.t. to data. Anyway, ads are not dying. By and large ad quality is getting better. There are several companies that exist now to pre-sc…

> What bothers me is the author of this video seems to think the internet can exist without ads.

I thought he said the exact opposite: Without ads, the current Internet ceases to exist and he will likely have to get another job.

Re: The ad-based internet is dying, and it's getting worse in the process [video]

#140

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What examples of ad based rising companies do you see ? My first thought was Google, and it's started to plateau in the recent years: https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/GOOGL/alphabet/rev... . Meta also took a dive, and while it was from a sharp turn of the business focus, I'd argue it comes from an attempt to avoid staying on a stagnating market.

TikTok and IG continue to see good ad rev growth

It's interesting that those aren't really available on the open web and require the app.
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