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The ad-based internet is dying, and it's getting worse in the process [video]

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Re: The ad-based internet is dying, and it's getting worse in the process [video]

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Post by waynesonfire »

lettergram wrote: post #84
gleenn wrote: post #5

His two examples are Twitter and Reddit whose ad revenue is dying because those two companies have made huge blunders. Elon seems to almost actively be killing Twitter (which the poster even states). Reddit screwed Apollo and then many of the most popular subreddits protested and did things like show porn on otherwise usually SFW content to prevent Reddit from showing ads and thus killing their profits. Those are big…

I keep asking this because I don’t understand - how is Elon “killing” twitter? I’ve frankly not seen any difference, at all. If anything there’s slightly more activity

Its a Facebook narrative to get you to use Threads. Twitter is doing just fine.

Re: The ad-based internet is dying, and it's getting worse in the process [video]

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Post by nativeit »

andreygrehov wrote: post #82
croes wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He also threatened to "thermonuclear name and shame" advertisers who paused spending. https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-name-shame-adverti...

That was a sarcasm. I should have stated that he doesn't care as much as other companies. Elon, being the richest person on the planet, is uniquely positioned and has a competitive advantage. He can risk losing ad revenue to achieve his goals - minimize censorship and create a super-app.

Is he still the richest twat in the pot? I would have thought his liabilities would have taken their toll on his net worth. Hair plugs can get pricey.

Re: The ad-based internet is dying, and it's getting worse in the process [video]

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Post by rebeccaskinner »

pentagrama wrote: post #81
makeitdouble wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What examples of ad based rising companies do you see ? My first thought was Google, and it's started to plateau in the recent years: https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/GOOGL/alphabet/rev... . Meta also took a dive, and while it was from a sharp turn of the business focus, I'd argue it comes from an attempt to avoid staying on a stagnating market.

I read that the new cheaper ad based Netflix tier was really successful. So maybe a future of all paid products but a cheaper option for a worst experience with ads?

Unfortunately, ad revenue is a poisoned well. Even if you are paying for the ad-free tier, you will be limited to content that was developed with a mind toward advertisements. Once you serve any ads, everything is under pressure to be optimized for ads.

Even if you don't mind the changes to the content, there's a constant pressure driving up costs and driving down convenience to continue avoiding ads. If you're paying for an ad-free experience then you have money, and you're willing to spend it. You are essentially forced into a bidding war for your own attention.

Re: The ad-based internet is dying, and it's getting worse in the process [video]

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Post by Medh_Suk »

gleenn wrote: post #5

His two examples are Twitter and Reddit whose ad revenue is dying because those two companies have made huge blunders. Elon seems to almost actively be killing Twitter (which the poster even states). Reddit screwed Apollo and then many of the most popular subreddits protested and did things like show porn on otherwise usually SFW content to prevent Reddit from showing ads and thus killing their profits. Those are big…

Marketers have ruined internet with deceptive and click baity ads.

I dont have a problem with ads, just dont sell my data to everyone who knocks on your companies doors. Happy to support ethical ads.

Twitter ads are aweful, showing unknown, click bait ads on its platform.

Re: The ad-based internet is dying, and it's getting worse in the process [video]

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Post by barrysteve »

barbariangrunge wrote: post #46

Good. The internet was really fun before the ads and monetization came. We had forums and personal web sites. Weird blogs everywhere you looked. Some semblance of anonymity. A sense of community that wasn't about growing a following.

The concept of an upvote didn't exist. You were primarily relating to people, not an audience filtered through a voting mechanism.

It was peaceful.

Re: The ad-based internet is dying, and it's getting worse in the process [video]

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Post by Gigachad »

jhaenchen wrote: post #99
gleenn wrote: post #5

His two examples are Twitter and Reddit whose ad revenue is dying because those two companies have made huge blunders. Elon seems to almost actively be killing Twitter (which the poster even states). Reddit screwed Apollo and then many of the most popular subreddits protested and did things like show porn on otherwise usually SFW content to prevent Reddit from showing ads and thus killing their profits. Those are big…

The real issue IMO is that users do not understand that ads pay for their apps. They don't want to see ads and the ads they do see they want them to be uninformed and general. They want everything free. This just encourages subscriptions. Which we're seeing become more and more common.

Everyone understands that ads pay for sites. You can want something for free while still understanding how adverts work.

Re: The ad-based internet is dying, and it's getting worse in the process [video]

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Post by kelvinjps10 »

soared wrote: post #45
standardUser wrote: post #20

I'm not going to watch this entire video. I just want to ask, what the fuck is going on with those disgusting body horror ads we see all over the internet? Close ups of pimples and wounds and bizzare diagrams of human anatomy that all appear designed specifically to draw the eye (at any cost) but personally just repulse me. There's a whole cross section of websites I won't visit, including some major news sites, beca…

Super low cost ads that lead to super low cost horrible clickbait content. You can blame companies like outbrain and taboola for purposefully having horrible advertiser quality standards, and websites who are willing to have that junk on their site. The cycle repeats endlessly, as the horrible sites have.. horrible ads.

I remenber windows putting those kind of ads on windows amd edge

Re: The ad-based internet is dying, and it's getting worse in the process [video]

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Post by kelvinjps10 »

makestuff wrote: post #63
baron816 wrote: post #9

I think we really need microtransactions. Pay $0.05 to read this article? Sure. Whoever figures out the infrastructure for that (seems like it would be right up Stripe’s alley) is going to make trillions.

The reason why ads work is consumers do not want to spend money now that they are conditioned to get stuff on the internet for free. Every time an article on here is posted the first comment is a link to archive.is. I agree this would be a better model, but I don’t think it will ever happen. Maybe the Web3 stuff will catch on and this will become sustainable.

I think that we have enough hardware so that they user themselves provide the infrastructure, kind of how briar, peertube work

Re: The ad-based internet is dying, and it's getting worse in the process [video]

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Post by kelvinjps10 »

RajT88 wrote: post #7
constantly wrote: post #3

I hope I won’t be faulted for not “reading” the OP, but it’s a 17 minute video. I watched a little, but I don’t understand the thesis. It does seem ironic though that on a video about the ad-based internet dying, there are several ads in the page, the video maker in the first segment has a lengthy ad where he praises whatever he is advertising, probably VPN stuff, there is a bunch of begging for paid subscribers in t…

I look forward to a future where these videos can get auto-transcribed (accurately) so I don't have to watch the damn video.

The language learning extensions do that. Like language reactor
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