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At Japan’s first winery, the country’s oldest grape lives on

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Re: At Japan’s first winery, the country’s oldest grape lives on

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Children have horribly underdeveloped palates. Generally novices in anything, food or otherwise, have trouble appreciating the nuances that make something beautiful.

They have more healthy taste buds do they not? Perhaps they have the best taste of all.

I don't know, from 6 to 26, my tasting buds would be ruined by sugar and couldn't see difference between beef and lamb or veal vs pork.

Now my daughter, that's another matter..

Re: At Japan’s first winery, the country’s oldest grape lives on

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They have more healthy taste buds do they not? Perhaps they have the best taste of all.

I don't know, from 6 to 26, my tasting buds would be ruined by sugar and couldn't see difference between beef and lamb or veal vs pork. Now my daughter, that's another matter..

> couldn't see difference between beef and lamb or veal vs pork

From 6 to 26? What changed at 26 lol? Are you saying that you stopped eating sugar? I’m surprised by the beef vs lamb comparison. Lamb has so much iron in it that it tastes like blood to me.

Maybe “sugar” isn’t why you couldn’t tell the difference. Especially if you’re saying your daughter doesn’t have that issue lol. I’m honestly perplexed by your comment.

I read that too much sugar can dull the taste of sweetness, which makes sense. I can’t see how it can dull the taste of blood though lol (unless you’re a mosquito).

Re: At Japan’s first winery, the country’s oldest grape lives on

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> Perhaps we just value it less here in North America. The reason we have less stuff like this in the USA is due to geography. We are a mostly flat country, rather than being mountainous or separated onto different small islands. Because of this, products produced via economies of scale can outcompete higher-quality artisanal products.

> We are a mostly flat country Eh? The US is the opposite of "mostly flat". And large swaths of the mostly flat part have low population density. The country is also very regional with considerable local diversity in what is produced and available locally. The US produces a lot of very local artisanal products throughout the country that don't travel very far that are based on local tradition and history. That's been…

> The US is the opposite of "mostly flat". And large swaths of the mostly flat part have low population density.

Eh? Most of the population lives in the Atlantic coastal, Gulf coastal, and Midwest plains. Only a minority of Americans live in places that could be considered "mostly mountainous", methinks.

Even Denver, the most populous city in (arguably) the most mountainous state, is actually a Great Plains city.

Re: At Japan’s first winery, the country’s oldest grape lives on

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> Perhaps we just value it less here in North America. The reason we have less stuff like this in the USA is due to geography. We are a mostly flat country, rather than being mountainous or separated onto different small islands. Because of this, products produced via economies of scale can outcompete higher-quality artisanal products.

Except, shipping by boat has been more cost effective since the beginning of history. The furthest you can get from the ocean in Japan is like a full days walk.

> shipping by boat has been more cost effective since the beginning of history

I've read that before the Transcontinental Railroad, it was cheaper and faster to get to San Francisco from a port in China than from St. Louis.

Re: At Japan’s first winery, the country’s oldest grape lives on

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> Perhaps we just value it less here in North America. The reason we have less stuff like this in the USA is due to geography. We are a mostly flat country, rather than being mountainous or separated onto different small islands. Because of this, products produced via economies of scale can outcompete higher-quality artisanal products.

Except, shipping by boat has been more cost effective since the beginning of history. The furthest you can get from the ocean in Japan is like a full days walk.

Well, unless it involved going around the horn. Time costs something too?

Re: At Japan’s first winery, the country’s oldest grape lives on

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Japan's obsession with tradition gives me real Europe vibes. The people selling it praise it, the people nearby have pride. I eat it and after all the hype, am disappointed. If I try really really hard, I can trick my brain into thinking its worthwhile. (I did just spend a bunch of money, traveled across the world, I should be able to enjoy this more than something I grow in my garden.. right?) I'd love blind taste t…

I think US culture, which I suppose you're from, is on a very lonely path food-wise - people from all over the world enjoy trying and making other culture's dishes, not everything is for everyone, but this American-style "I can't get into anything, ever, which I am not used to" is so unique.

Re: At Japan’s first winery, the country’s oldest grape lives on

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I’m curious if handcrafting artisans like this exist in North America/Europe at anywhere near the same scale (and we only see stories from Japan as we view it as something their culture does) or whether this is a uniquely Japanese thing to do. Perhaps we just value it less here in North America. All stories of extremely small batch but precisely crafted products seem to come out of Japan.

> All stories of extremely small batch but precisely crafted products seem to come out of Japan.

idk. Most of my YouTube recommendations are exactly that but from all around the world lol. I can’t even say most are from Japan. I would be lying if I did.

As a very simple example, I just watched a video about some candy company in Massachusetts that has been hand-making hard candy the same way for more than a hundred years.

(To stay honest, I do tend to subscribe to channels where the entire purpose is to showcase niche things from all around the world. Great Big Story, for example.)

Re: At Japan’s first winery, the country’s oldest grape lives on

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Japan's obsession with tradition gives me real Europe vibes. The people selling it praise it, the people nearby have pride. I eat it and after all the hype, am disappointed. If I try really really hard, I can trick my brain into thinking its worthwhile. (I did just spend a bunch of money, traveled across the world, I should be able to enjoy this more than something I grow in my garden.. right?) I'd love blind taste t…

Children have horribly underdeveloped palates. Generally novices in anything, food or otherwise, have trouble appreciating the nuances that make something beautiful.

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Re: At Japan’s first winery, the country’s oldest grape lives on

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I don't know, from 6 to 26, my tasting buds would be ruined by sugar and couldn't see difference between beef and lamb or veal vs pork. Now my daughter, that's another matter..

> couldn't see difference between beef and lamb or veal vs pork From 6 to 26? What changed at 26 lol? Are you saying that you stopped eating sugar? I’m surprised by the beef vs lamb comparison. Lamb has so much iron in it that it tastes like blood to me. Maybe “sugar” isn’t why you couldn’t tell the difference. Especially if you’re saying your daughter doesn’t have that issue lol. I’m honestly perplexed by your comme…

Basically from 10, I was drinking like 0.5L to 1L of soda a day.

I was eating rarely meat, and my parents couldn't cook, I think at one stage, I was eating McDonald burgers 2 to 5 times a week. So while I was practicing a good amount of sports to burn these calories, it couldn't be good.

26 was when I moved out, started preparing food myself, started really reducing my overall alcohol and soda intake and more exposed to good food.

My daughter eats much more often meat, almost no processed food, high quality ingredients and cooking.

Re: At Japan’s first winery, the country’s oldest grape lives on

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> couldn't see difference between beef and lamb or veal vs pork From 6 to 26? What changed at 26 lol? Are you saying that you stopped eating sugar? I’m surprised by the beef vs lamb comparison. Lamb has so much iron in it that it tastes like blood to me. Maybe “sugar” isn’t why you couldn’t tell the difference. Especially if you’re saying your daughter doesn’t have that issue lol. I’m honestly perplexed by your comme…

Basically from 10, I was drinking like 0.5L to 1L of soda a day. I was eating rarely meat, and my parents couldn't cook, I think at one stage, I was eating McDonald burgers 2 to 5 times a week. So while I was practicing a good amount of sports to burn these calories, it couldn't be good. 26 was when I moved out, started preparing food myself, started really reducing my overall alcohol and soda intake and more exposed…

Yeah, it seems like sugar wasn’t the issue then. It seems like you’re saying that you just weren’t exposed to different foods.

(Unless, you’re saying that McDonalds has lamb burgers in whatever country you live in and you couldn’t tell the difference between their beef and lamb burgers? Cause I can definitely see this. I just looked up that McDs in India used to have lamb burgers.)

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