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GM dealers aren’t happy future EVs won’t support CarPlay

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Re: GM dealers aren’t happy future EVs won’t support CarPlay

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This is gonna be a fiasco similar to when apple forced their own maps on everyone and subsequently had to backtrack with an apology. Apple maps is very good now but not when it released.

They made the mistake of taking away an existing feature before releasing something better and then deprecating the legacy stuff.

Re: GM dealers aren’t happy future EVs won’t support CarPlay

#22

This is gonna be a fiasco similar to when apple forced their own maps on everyone and subsequently had to backtrack with an apology. Apple maps is very good now but not when it released. They made the mistake of taking away an existing feature before releasing something better and then deprecating the legacy stuff.

Which existing feature did they remove? You could still use Google maps (and you still can).

Re: GM dealers aren’t happy future EVs won’t support CarPlay

#23

My wife had two requirements for her new car, it looks cute and has CarPlay. I think in that order too. She's a complete normie though.

Same with my gf. Carplay is a must. She’s a normie but i think a lot of all-in Apple customers feel this way. For millions, there will be no need to even look at GM.

Re: GM dealers aren’t happy future EVs won’t support CarPlay

#24

I still don't get what Google software GM is targeting, exactly. If it's Android Automotive ( not Android Auto), that ecosystem supports CarPlay. The new Volvo IVI is already doing it and it's in production. From a linked article to the OP: "GM has been working with Google since 2019 to develop the software that will be used in future electric cars." So is there going to be a third auto ecosystem from Google? I guess…

If you count the purchase of Waze they have 4, plus the dead version of Android Auto that ran entirely on your phone.

I'm still mad at them for killing the standalone Android Auto. Google maps by itself is a sucky version of that and Waze is not as good either.

Re: GM dealers aren’t happy future EVs won’t support CarPlay

#25
This because GM wants the recurring revenue from subscription services, etc., right? They're partnering with google for the software, probably some services, then they get to rent functionality to their customers.

Anyway, no CarPlay just removes them from consideration for me.

Re: GM dealers aren’t happy future EVs won’t support CarPlay

#26

This is gonna be a fiasco similar to when apple forced their own maps on everyone and subsequently had to backtrack with an apology. Apple maps is very good now but not when it released. They made the mistake of taking away an existing feature before releasing something better and then deprecating the legacy stuff.

Which existing feature did they remove? You could still use Google maps (and you still can).

In ye olden days, Apple didn’t have its own mapping application, and Google Maps was the default map application for iOS. That changed in iOS 6 when Apple launched Apple Maps, users were defaulted to the inferior app. Google Maps wouldn’t launch its own standalone app on iOS for months (years?).

https://techcrunch.com/2012/09/26/the-apple-ios-6-maps-fiasc...

Re: GM dealers aren’t happy future EVs won’t support CarPlay

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Well there goes any remaining chance I’d be buying a GM - why would I ever want my car to provide all my driving information to a spyware company?

You misread. It won't support Apple CarPlay.

... you are kidding right?

Any suggestion that google is somehow less of a spyware company than apple is laughably and objectively false.

But it doesn't matter, because they're both companies, and companies are inherently not your friend, so you shouldn't be thinking that your boo will be on your side forever (also see companies claiming that they're "a family"). That Qpple's business model is not dependent on spying on users, and Google's business model is dependent on no one having privacy is clearly a significant factor today. But in 10 years who knows? Corporations follow money, and there's only so much weight given to "our heartfelt truest of true beliefs of our customer's rights".

But that's still moot, as I don't use either system on any car, but now GM has built google's tracking infrastructure into the core of the car's "entertainment" system. If you use a car with android or apple car, the software is only running if you are using that with your device. Now GM is just saying screw it, Google is paying us to install their software as the only system on the car - do you really think google is doing that out of concern that to support GM's bottom line, or because google's entire business model is built on spying on people?

Re: GM dealers aren’t happy future EVs won’t support CarPlay

#28

Hmm - maybe its a GM 5D chess move... get the GM dealers to fold/close so GM corporate can go direct to consumer. Then when they all close, re-introduce CarPlay support.

This. And then all the cars in the field will support CarPlay. I think the majority of dealers would fold in less than a year.

Re: GM dealers aren’t happy future EVs won’t support CarPlay

#29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not familiar with GM's collab with Google, but if I'm understanding it right, it'll probably be a major Android Auto fork that's only available in GM cars.

If it's a fork. It's not going to be great.

Anything made/modified by a car manufacturer will be absolute shit. Tesla and Rivian do a decent job from what I’ve heard but one could argue they are more software companies that make cars than the other way around. Also a huge complaint from users on both cars is they want CarPlay/Android Auto. Side note: how is Google so terrible at naming? (Auto/Automotive, it’s like they are trying to be confusing)

Car manufacturers are completely incompetent in this area, just give me a way to put my phone screen on the built in screen, just be a “dumb pipe”. This last the last gasp of failed arm of car makers (software) just like when the carriers lost that battle to Apple/Google.

Re: GM dealers aren’t happy future EVs won’t support CarPlay

#30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it's a fork. It's not going to be great.

Anything made/modified by a car manufacturer will be absolute shit. Tesla and Rivian do a decent job from what I’ve heard but one could argue they are more software companies that make cars than the other way around. Also a huge complaint from users on both cars is they want CarPlay/Android Auto. Side note: how is Google so terrible at naming? (Auto/Automotive, it’s like they are trying to be confusing) Car manufactu…

Apple makes you jump through a large amount of hoops and approvals to allow CarPlay to work. Combine that with the incompetent manufacturers and you get this situation.

The manufacturers still have to make something to run on the screen. The owner may not have a phone, you're federally required to show a backup camera in all situations, etc etc etc.

Not defending anything here, just explaining that it's not as simple as "just" putting up a dumb pipeline.

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