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Re: Moving the Evernote center of operations to Europe

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Post by ztrww »

maccard wrote: post #84
nexuist wrote: post #67

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With all due respect, as a European myself, the ones who are passionate about tech do not stay out of the US for long. There are notable exceptions of course but the immigration statistics and subsequent brain drain is undeniable. The only notable tech company to come out of Europe in the last decade is Spotify.

I don't agree - moving to the US is about chasing the money. > The only notable tech company to come out of Europe in the last decade is Spotify. I think this is incredibly dismissive of a huge number of tech companies that are european. ASML are dutch, and ARM are a UK company. Neither are startups, but both are foundations of the bleeding edge of tech this decade. The fintech space is brimming with startups in euro…

> ASML are dutch, and ARM are a UK company

I guess it’s much easier for them to compete for workers since IIRC Intel (and I assume others in the sector) don’t pay that well compared to software companies

Re: Moving the Evernote center of operations to Europe

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Post by ztrww »

yodsanklai wrote: post #50
emptysongglass wrote: post #23

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Your comment implies European tech workers are somehow less passionate or that passionate tech workers can't be found here. This is a harmful myth that perpetuates our depressed wages. We're not America's backwater for tech sourcing. We're just as capable and passionate.

> This is a harmful myth that perpetuates our depressed wages In some European countries, conditions are more favorable to workers, and this can be reflected in the wages as well. For instance, an employee in France will enjoy 35 weeks of holiday per year (not including public holidays), and also stronger protections regarding layoffs. This is somewhat expected that wages are also lower. EDIT: 35 days , not weeks.

but they are not just somewhat lower, they are massively lower. Is 1-2 extra week really worth $50-100k? Also many (most?) tech companies offer more than 2 weeks in the US

Re: Moving the Evernote center of operations to Europe

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Post by tempestn »

mochomocha wrote: post #73
alkibiades wrote: post #47

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youtube is significantly worse other than maybe in stability/uptime. remember google tried to force that weird google plus login instead? and now it’s so corporatized/ad filled

In no world would Youtube be even remotely profitable without advertising. Google ran it as a $B+/year loss for years before managing to making it profitable. Tell me now a believable alternative growth story for Youtube where Google didn't buy it and the service isn't "corporatized" and not losing money. You can't compare an unprofitable small-scale startup product to what the same product needs to be to make it 1)…

Yeah, without an acquisition, YouTube doesn't exist today. And most acquisitions would have turned out far worse than the Google one did. (See Evernote...)

Re: Moving the Evernote center of operations to Europe

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Post by tempestn »

29athrowaway wrote: post #70
isykt wrote: post #36

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This was an acquisition, not a merger, but if we misquote your mother a bit to fit this situation: YouTube?

It's full of residential trash burning videos. They film themselves burning residential trash and teach others "how to save money at the dump" doing it. Each one of them pollutes more than an entire city. I've reported them, because those activities are illegal, and YouTube keeps the videos up.

Sounds like the algorithm has learned that you get really fired up about residential trash videos.

Re: Moving the Evernote center of operations to Europe

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Post by Bystander22 »

Bystander22 wrote: post #87
hirundo wrote: post #62

I was't planning on leaving Evernote after many years of use. But I went to do a full export yesterday, just in case. It locked up mid way through four times in a row, 3x after fresh reboots. Now I'm planning on leaving Evernote.

Here's how to do it: 1. Download and install the legacy Evernote v.6.25.x.x. Evernote has removed it from their website but you can get it at FileHippo. Download this now - I downloaded 6.25.3.9348 and used it, but now it's gone from FileHippo... not sure why. https://filehippo.com/download_evernote/6.25.1.9091/ I installed on a separate computer, but probably you can run v10.x and v.6.25.x on the same one. 2. Follow…

Correcting myself for anyone searching for this later... Evernote v6.25.3.9348 (version that's guaranteed to work) was not on FileHippo. It was shared several times on the Evernote discussion boards, recently here: https://discussion.evernote.com/forums/topic/146705-fatal-mi..., which I've archived here: https://archive.ph/G4hdq - scroll to PinkElephant's comment.

Re: Moving the Evernote center of operations to Europe

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Post by mock-possum »

dangus wrote: post #54
bergeoisie wrote: post #3

The passive voice around laying off employees is always so gross. It didn't magically require you lay off those employees. Someone in your C-suite decided. Own it.

> In most cases, this package includes 16 weeks of salary, up to one year of health insurance coverage, and a performance bonus, paid pro-rata as if the year-end performance targets have already been achieved. Layoffs are amazing. Every layoff I’ve experienced has been a financial gain and reduction in my total workload. That’s the whole point of severance packages: to keep employees happy enough to not sue. And let…

Wow every layoff I’ve experience has felt like a betrayal and has taken real time to get over, both emotionally and financially. You lucked out.

Re: Moving the Evernote center of operations to Europe

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Post by arein3 »

lamontcg wrote: post #108
arein3 wrote: post #102

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Evernote is not rocket science. Each new onboarding presumes the developer to make himself familiar with the project. I don't get the "they won't know how it works", a senior developer should make himself familiar pretty quickly.

> Evernote is not rocket science. I'd bet money that if you got to see the codebase they have to work with that it is at least 10x more of a clusterfuck than you currently think it is.

I am not overly optimistic, but if you are able to run the servers locally and run the frontends locally and have the list of all features the application has, then you should be able to execute them all locally and underatand how it works. It will not be fast, but if you are senior, and the technologies are known to you, it should not take extremely long.
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