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I appreciate that they have maintained information density. otoh I think they should try and stick as much as possible to the looks of the OS where thunderbird is running - you are building a desktop application, not a website. Of course it's pretty hard when not even microsoft seems to know what Windows should look like.
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I like how you conveniently left out that you're using a retina display until maybe your fifth post complaining about this. It's possible that none of the developers can afford to buy a $2000 laptop for testing. If the icons are obviously fuzzy on your machine, grab a screenshot, post a bug on the bug tracker, and let it be. I assume also that you are already a substantial monthly donor. If not, then I think all this…
1. There still doesn't appear to be a threaded email view. Emails are grouped, but I don't see a way to view them in a thread. Just one at a time
2. Rich text emails that are just text look remarkably bad. They're just black text on white background with limited padding. If you use dark mode, it still displays with a white background; many email readers have moved away from that
3. If you click an email group, it opens a summary view instead of an actual email. In order to open the actual email, you have to expand the group by clicking a tiny arrow
4. Having a landing page for an account still seems odd. It just means I have to keep the account open and click Inbox instead. Each of my 4 accounts have about 30-50 folders each so my sidebar is basically impossible to navigate unless I switch to the Unified folder view which has a separate list of issues
5. Going back to #2, if I reply to such an email in dark mode, the quoted text appears as black on dark gray.
6. The composer definitely needs some love
Basically, it still requires 3-4 clicks to do a ton of things that other clients can do in 1 click. Postbox, which forked Thunderbird like 15 years ago and I used for close to a decade, is also looking dated at this point but is much easier to use than Supernova.
Some of these things can be improved or changed, but I couldn't find a good combination that created an experience worth switching to.
It's unfortunate because I had been planning to switch to Thunderbird from Spark v2 since it was announced last year. Instead, it prompted me to re-evaluate Spark v3 which seems to have resolved most of its early issues. I'd prefer to use OSS, but not at the cost of productivity.
Negativity aside, it does look much better than it did previously and I can see the makings of a worthwhile client in there. It's just not ready for me yet.
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I think the second one lacks polish in terms of the styling of the UI components. The mockup was really pretty and its use of color and borders/outlines, while the current version seems to have heavier outlines, leading to an overall clunkier appearance. I'll run this by a couple of my UX friends to see if they can express what I'm talking about in more professional terms so I can provide coherent feedback to the Thu…
I appreciate you doing this. I'm keen on the heavier outlines and squashed message list in 115, versus the mockups which I loved. But you feeding that back professionally and constructively, etc, may be productive; it's not healthy for us or the maintainers, for us to be an angry mass of users.
Looks like a typo? Shouldn't this be accessibility?
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Remind you, that Microsoft wants go get rid of its Microsoft Office and will make it a Website only.
First, I don't think they'll be able to. I have had the displeasure of using their web Outlook client and it was absurdly buggy for a software company of the stature of Microsoft. I can only imagine how terrible the web version of a complex software like Excel will be. Not to mention the poor performance. There's no way they will lose all of their finance customers like that... but, it's Microsoft, so... who knows. S…
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The marketing site says this: > Our new designs remain sharp and pixel-perfect at any density setting. Why are you having a go at someone who's just saying that the icons are fuzzy? If it's true it's true.
If it's true, that's a bug. File it, don't just complain online as if you are being let down by a paid tool.
It wasn't "as if" that at all. It was a neutral statement of fact.
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Pro tip: don't lead with "I can't believe how janky this still looks after a UI overhaul."
So, image you're the new hire and you are welcomed to this massive code base with thousands of files, each thousands of lines long, without some clear separation of concerns or "basic modern best practices". And the first thing you do, is tell everyone how shit their code looks. The same code that pays for yours and everyone else's paychecks. What do you think is going to happen?
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There’s no technical reason, it’s just a poor implementation. I use “notmuch” for email and it can index over two decades of emails in seconds. Search is then instantaneous. TBH, thunderbird could just use notmuch under the hood.
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