Uber, DoorDash Sue NYC to Stop Delivery Drivers from Getting a Minimum Wage

Post by erik_seaberg » Mon, Jul 10, 2023, 11:56 AM UTC

CPLX wrote: post #29

csomar wrote: post #10

This will essentially kill these platforms. I don't have the data but I can see how a delivery can take, on average, one hour. Between waiting for an order to arrive, accepting it, going to the food place, taking it to the destination, delivering it, etc... $17 + fees + tips? => $20+ delivery fee. Unless you are delivering for a well-off family of 5, it makes no sense.

We had ubiquitous fast and free local restaurant delivery in NYC for decades before these apps showed up. Before cell phones even. Every hallway had a pile of menus. It’s not really better now and killing these apps wouldn’t make it worse.

Post by zulban » Mon, Jul 10, 2023, 12:01 PM UTC

ryndbfsrw wrote: post #5

What a crap business model these companies have if they rely on haggling over legal loopholes to operate. The business case, at best, is the status quo remains with material threats to their operations if these laws change. This is a lose-lose for everyone. Ignore the morality arguments, why risk your money on something with almost zero upside and all this downside? Suing the government is not a sign of strength

Post by WeylandYutani » Mon, Jul 10, 2023, 12:05 PM UTC

_8j50 wrote: post #69

habosa wrote: post #31

To be clear before I say anything: I think the entire food delivery app business model is bad for all parties involved and that these companies are bad actors. But … I don’t think the cities are properly accounting for the ease of using multiple apps? If a driver is logged into Uber and Doordash and GrubHub on 3 phones waiting for a delivery they probably should not be accruing $17.96*3 per hour at that time. But it…

I disagree, the business model works out just fine for a lot of people. At the core of the problem is the concept if a contractor. These cities are trying to go around a federally defiend concept of contracting. You agree, as a self-employed business operator to provide services and get paid for it. Employees on the other hand provide labour which means performing assigned tasks under a specific job title, typically…

Post by WeylandYutani » Mon, Jul 10, 2023, 12:08 PM UTC

tfourb wrote: post #39

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I can see how a delivery can take, on average, one hour In New York? > will essentially kill these platforms It will curtail them. They will need to trim their driver network, which will reduce the number of drivers and increase delivery times. Restaurants and consumers outside high-density areas no longer make sense to cater to. Dropping restaurants who don’t meet minimums will also, likely, be necessary. In summa…

Even in the kinda rural area I grew up in it was common for Italian restaurants to have their own delivery drivers. Many still do, because the customer experience of the delivery apps is often inferior. If we go back to a pre-food delivery app time, my general take would be "and nothing of value was lost." Restaurants will still be able to have their own delivery services, people will still be able to simply pick up…

Post by treyfitty » Mon, Jul 10, 2023, 12:11 PM UTC

_8j50 wrote: post #66

tchalla wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If a driver is logged into Uber and Doordash and GrubHub on 3 phones waiting for a delivery they probably should not be accruing $17.96*3 per hour at that time. Why not? The entire shtick of Uber et al is that employees choose their hours and gain "freedom" from employees. This is what freedom looks like. Employers can't tell freelance contractors how they should behave. They decide a contract, they get a service a…

Not employees but contractors. If they are employees they can be forced to sign non-competes.