Uber, DoorDash Sue NYC to Stop Delivery Drivers from Getting a Minimum Wage

Post by Gigachad » Mon, Jul 10, 2023, 10:53 AM UTC

olalonde wrote: post #30

ryndbfsrw wrote: post #5

What a crap business model these companies have if they rely on haggling over legal loopholes to operate. The business case, at best, is the status quo remains with material threats to their operations if these laws change. This is a lose-lose for everyone. Ignore the morality arguments, why risk your money on something with almost zero upside and all this downside? Suing the government is not a sign of strength

> What a crap business model these companies have if they rely on haggling over legal loopholes to operate. They will be fine. It's the consumers and delivery drivers who will mostly pay for it.

Post by JumpCrisscross » Mon, Jul 10, 2023, 10:55 AM UTC

klyrs wrote: post #25

csomar wrote: post #10

This will essentially kill these platforms. I don't have the data but I can see how a delivery can take, on average, one hour. Between waiting for an order to arrive, accepting it, going to the food place, taking it to the destination, delivering it, etc... $17 + fees + tips? => $20+ delivery fee. Unless you are delivering for a well-off family of 5, it makes no sense.

Yep. Now do the math on living in NYC with a car payment making $7/h. The alternative is restaurants hiring delivery drivers with reasonable ranges. There are a few of these in my area and I greatly prefer them. The food arrives on time and hot, every time.

Post by Gigachad » Mon, Jul 10, 2023, 10:57 AM UTC

csomar wrote: post #17

criddell wrote: post #13

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How does that compare with spending your time going out and picking up your food or taking your family to a restaurant? That has to be a minimum of 30-45 minutes of time spent traveling plus car or transit expenses. It might be more, but is it a lot more?

Sure. If you make $150/hour, it might make sense. But that's hardly the case for the average person.

Post by JumpCrisscross » Mon, Jul 10, 2023, 10:58 AM UTC

tfourb wrote: post #39

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #14

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> I can see how a delivery can take, on average, one hour In New York? > will essentially kill these platforms It will curtail them. They will need to trim their driver network, which will reduce the number of drivers and increase delivery times. Restaurants and consumers outside high-density areas no longer make sense to cater to. Dropping restaurants who don’t meet minimums will also, likely, be necessary. In summa…

Even in the kinda rural area I grew up in it was common for Italian restaurants to have their own delivery drivers. Many still do, because the customer experience of the delivery apps is often inferior. If we go back to a pre-food delivery app time, my general take would be "and nothing of value was lost." Restaurants will still be able to have their own delivery services, people will still be able to simply pick up…

Post by JumpCrisscross » Mon, Jul 10, 2023, 11:00 AM UTC

CPLX wrote: post #29

csomar wrote: post #10

This will essentially kill these platforms. I don't have the data but I can see how a delivery can take, on average, one hour. Between waiting for an order to arrive, accepting it, going to the food place, taking it to the destination, delivering it, etc... $17 + fees + tips? => $20+ delivery fee. Unless you are delivering for a well-off family of 5, it makes no sense.

We had ubiquitous fast and free local restaurant delivery in NYC for decades before these apps showed up. Before cell phones even. Every hallway had a pile of menus. It’s not really better now and killing these apps wouldn’t make it worse.