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Just be curious why are people still using email client other than web based one? Gmail or outlook 365 is quite good, and I think most people will have one web browser opened always.

If it's free in the cloud, then you're the product. When it is MS, often you pay and are also the product.

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Wonder what the hard-drive footprint this takes now, my version; 60.9.1(32-bit) takes 126MB and i consider that bloated for what it is. At the Thunderbird 60.9 release mark; Pegasus footprint was 30MB, Opera Mail was 38MB, Sylpheed was 28MB, even the Bat was only 50MB. I run Thunderbird portable from a data pen, which is why this metric is important to me (i realize it won't be for the majority of users). Edit; Okay…

Still not sure why this metric is important when you can get 1tb pen drive for $100

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I have always wondered this. When a site like "MAterial for Mkdocs" can implement such a featureful search (with autocomplete, spellcorrect and such) in a browser for a website, how could it be this hard for a desktop application with several orders of magnitude of resources at its disposal?

There’s no technical reason, it’s just a poor implementation. I use “notmuch” for email and it can index over two decades of emails in seconds. Search is then instantaneous. TBH, thunderbird could just use notmuch under the hood.

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I appreciate that they have maintained information density. otoh I think they should try and stick as much as possible to the looks of the OS where thunderbird is running - you are building a desktop application, not a website. Of course it's pretty hard when not even microsoft seems to know what Windows should look like.

Remind you, that Microsoft wants go get rid of its Microsoft Office and will make it a Website only.

OneNote was the first one to go from a full office program to be some Modern-UI program, and I have to say that the lost of features is concerning. Like now, you can't easily integrated excels in onenote.

Yet, even with those limitations, it is still the mot powerful note application out there. So... I still use it.

I imagine that it will be a similar situation with the rest of the office suite.

Re: Thunderbird 115

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Wonder what the hard-drive footprint this takes now, my version; 60.9.1(32-bit) takes 126MB and i consider that bloated for what it is. At the Thunderbird 60.9 release mark; Pegasus footprint was 30MB, Opera Mail was 38MB, Sylpheed was 28MB, even the Bat was only 50MB. I run Thunderbird portable from a data pen, which is why this metric is important to me (i realize it won't be for the majority of users). Edit; Okay…

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First, I don't think they'll be able to. I have had the displeasure of using their web Outlook client and it was absurdly buggy for a software company of the stature of Microsoft. I can only imagine how terrible the web version of a complex software like Excel will be. Not to mention the poor performance. There's no way they will lose all of their finance customers like that... but, it's Microsoft, so... who knows. S…

> I can only imagine how terrible the web version of a complex software like Excel will be. It's actually not that terrible, but I believe it's nowhere near feature parity. Not to mention there is a galaxy of add-ons that still need to be rewritten from scratch to work on the web version, and a lot of people cannot live without them. Excel is a classic case of 80% of users requiring 20% of all functionality, but that…

If you don't have feature parity, you really are in trouble, because then you are competing with Google Sheets, on which actually competent engineers are working.

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I’ve been using the beta for some weeks, and it’s fantastic. snappy fast, and makes me feel in control. I’m not using (and probably never will) any of the non-email features like the calendar, or the chat. But they are relatively hidden away, so they don’t bother me.

Calendar in the mail client is very useful since invitations are sent by mail. You click accept, the recipient knows you did and the event is added to your calendar. But indeed if you don't use it it does not get in the way, which is perfect.

I read mail first on my phone with K9 (the old UI) a few times per day and accept invitations there to put them on my phone, which is always with me. Then I download mail with Thunderbird a few times per week. I use my domain providers POP3 servers. Yes, they bundle a mailbox with each domain. It's also IMAP and webmail but POP3 is better for my use case.

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Just be curious why are people still using email client other than web based one? Gmail or outlook 365 is quite good, and I think most people will have one web browser opened always.

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This looks good! It has not reached my distribution yet, I hope this refreshed UI will be more convenient than the current one (which has done its job for the past 20 years but has some quirks like not having a straightforward way to follow a mail thread to my knowledge - well, it has but all the mails need to be in the same folder but sent mails are in the sent folder and received mails are in the received messages…

Just jumping in to say I'm also incredibly happy to see this change (and the other expected improvements). Thunderbird currently looks dated, and I'm glad to see it brought into the 2020s. Sometimes current users can be dismissive of UI changes, so it's good to see fellow users who are happy. Moreover, let's not forget the new users, who were previously put off by the dated UI.

I guess I'll be that dismissive current user. I don't like random UI changes in a tool I use as frequently as a mail client. The new icons don't look too bad, even if I dislike their flat nature.

I don't think TB looks dated. It looks functional. Which is exactly what I want from a mail client. If I want something that looks modern but is dysfunctional, I'll just switch to Outlook.

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Lots of people find unified folders extremely useful. They’re completely pointless for me, because different email accounts represent different contexts for me. But there’s a lot of people who’ve created a gmail account, a hotmail account, have a their ISP account, etc for no particular reason other than the fact that they created an account when these services came by. A unified folder is extremely useful for such p…

I find them very useful as long as there is a way to make it immediately obvious which account a particular email is connected to (like FairEmail does, for example).

I use BorderColors D, an extension which shows a color in the writing window specific to the selected account.

https://addons.thunderbird.net/thunderbird/addon/bordercolor...

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