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Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Post by justinator »

threeseed wrote: post #226
akira2501 wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> My use case is being able to code with a giant screen anywhere I've tried this on other platforms. The device gets heavy and your eyes get hot and sweaty, and dealing with an extension cord running from your head to a battery pack just adds insult to the inconvenience. It's not fun and it was not a major boost to productivity. Plus.. for $3,500 I can just buy quite a few nice monitors.

> I can just buy quite a few nice monitors But you're not taking those monitors anywhere.

Is it really all that hard?

https://sidetrak.com/products/swivel-pro-triple-13-3

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Post by iLoveOncall »

kibwen wrote: post #32
throw47474777j wrote: post #29

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> Not because the technology was bad, but because people just don't want it. It’s hard to see how anyone who has been following the technology could make this claim.

People want it, but not in this form factor. Like I've been saying regarding Oculus' products for years: VR/AR isn't a bad idea, but nobody wants to strap a set of heavy, sweaty ski goggles to their face for eight hours a day. Just because the newest models are lighter/more comfortable than the old models doesn't mean they're anywhere near acceptable. I'll be passing on these until they're the size and weight of ordi…

I'll go much further than that: nobody wants to wear ANY pair of glasses.

Some people do because the benefit is literally regaining one of your senses, but even if AR / VR glasses one day become like normal glasses, it will be a niche product.

Nobody's wearing glasses just to get notifications and gimmicks like this. Ever.

The only moment where AR / VR can maybe become mainstream is when we can send signal straight to the brain to generate images (disregarding that there's no way people will be ok with other people controlling their brain).

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Post by scarface_74 »

WheatMillington wrote: post #172
giobox wrote: post #21

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> Plus even in the U.S Apple Store's aren't that common There are 270+ Apple stores in the US, I don't have the figures to hand but an overwhelming percentage of the country's actual population live within an hour of an Apple store. They are common, frankly. I'm not defending the decision to require a store visit here, but lets not paint a picture of Apple store availability that doesn't exist. The number of people w…

My nearest apple store is 3 hours away.

And there are plenty of people (including my 80 year old parents) who drive 3 hours from their small town in South Georgia to the nearest bigger city to buy products that they want to be able to see instead of our used online.

In my dads case, music gear

I even know people who would drive from the even smaller places than where my parents live who would drive to my home town to go the mall, movies and Olive Garden.

Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Post by Turing_Machine »

justapassenger wrote: post #109
peddling-brink wrote: post #100

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Have you been to an Apple Store recently? It’s plenty easy to get their products online, but the stores are consistently packed regardless.

I don’t think people who pack Apple stores are target audience. From my experience they’re either not a target audience (older, non tech savvy) or lack funds (teenagers).

Can we please get rid of the stereotype that older people aren't "tech savvy"?

Older people today have been using computers since they were in their teens or twenties. Conversely, I know a 20-something woman who can't understand why her iMessages quit working when she switched to an Android phone, despite explaining it to her multiple times.

As you note, they also have more money.

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Post by criddell »

ozten wrote: post #58
MegaDeKay wrote: post #38

"Gurman says Apple will ensure that the Vision Pro fits the wearer and also outfit the device with prescription lens inserts if needed" I wear prescription glasses and have gone from single vision to progressive lenses that are stupid expensive. Worse, my prescription changes every visit to the optometrist. How sensitive is the headset's performance to my prescription, how expensive would replacement lenses be, and h…

VR’s focus plane is 4-6 feet away for all distances, so you won’t need progressive lenses.

But the screen is always 2” away. As you look from things that are drawn as if they are near or far is kind of irrelevant, isn’t it? Your focus depth won’t change because your actual focus depth never changes.

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Post by ghaff »

nightpool wrote: post #200
hghid wrote: post #197

Slightly tangential rant, but is anybody else becoming frustrated with the process of buying Apple products in Apple stores? For me, it started with the Apple Watch - I knew which one I wanted and was ready just to head down and buy one, but I was forced to sit through an entire "fitting" with patronising explanation on how to use the knob on the the side. Recently, I wanted to buy a new Phone. Again, I knew the one…

Can't you also buy these products online? I'm not surprised that the in-store experience has become such a high touch affair when the customer base that would have wanted less interaction have already self-selected out by not going to the store at all

I usually place an order online and pickup at the store for reasons. Never had it take more than a few minutes. I did check out the Apple Watch Ultra in a store to make sure I was OK with the size and the band but again very straightforward.

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Post by layer8 »

bstar77 wrote: post #180
BoppreH wrote: post #175

I'm very confused by Apple's strategy. As an owner of the original HTC Vive headset, its word-of-mouth power was off the charts. It was a blast at parties, and many of my friends bought their own $700+ devices after trying it. Here's what won them over: - Being able to try it themselves with little preparation ("put this on your head, tighten it here, and click these buttons on the controller"). You could even use it…

Apple probably wants to tap into the "Apple Watch Edition" crowd that will spend absurd money for the exclusivity and not complain much.

That “crowd” will buy this version instead: https://caviar.global/catalog/virtual-reality

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Post by Turing_Machine »

MegaDeKay wrote: post #38

"Gurman says Apple will ensure that the Vision Pro fits the wearer and also outfit the device with prescription lens inserts if needed" I wear prescription glasses and have gone from single vision to progressive lenses that are stupid expensive. Worse, my prescription changes every visit to the optometrist. How sensitive is the headset's performance to my prescription, how expensive would replacement lenses be, and h…

> I wear prescription glasses and have gone from single vision to progressive lenses that are stupid expensive.

Not really on-topic, but I've had very good luck with Zenni Optical.

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Post by scarface_74 »

evandale wrote: post #25
r_hoods_ghost wrote: post #22

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How on earth is forcing someone to go to a store, probably only in a few select locations far away from where you live, low friction?

You left out important context: > for the enthusiastic, apple is going to make it as low-friction as possible. Going to a store is not low friction for an enthusiast. We've already established that the price tag shuts out all but the enthusiast. Apple enthusiasts will do anything to buy Apple products.

An Apple enthusiast not willing to go to the Apple Store? When I went to NYC, the Apple Store there was like nerd Mecca with people taking pictures in front of it.

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Post by jayd16 »

drewg123 wrote: post #158
hordehamhill wrote: post #148

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So what about this product opened your eyes that the previous 15 years of VR/AR did not? Just Apple's marketing power? Or is there something specific about this device that made it click for you?

I had always looked at things like Oculus as a "gaming" accessory. And I demoed Google Glass about 10 years ago, and it didn't present a virtual screen. When seeing the Apple goggles, it clicked for me that this was basically a mac environment, and I started thinking how amazing it would be to run terminals in it, then I started googling for any options that were available now..

If you really just cared about terminals you can probably get an android terminal running on the quest and ssh where you need.
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