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I'm sure you learned all that from other US/South Korean articles like this one, right? I watched a documentary about North Korean defectors that wanted to go back to North Korea, one of the many reasons was to be with their families. They never mentioned their family were imprisioned. And it wouldn't make much sense to want to go back if their family was imprisioned. Again, I'm no North Korean supporter or whatever,…
Oh come on
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That's common?! Please share some examples, it's so common they must be easy to find I assume. Leftist ideology promotes social and economic equality; it's surprising they "commonly" ridicule people that have suffered these things.
Leftist ideology promotes those things in theory, yes. However, in almost all of my personal and internet interactions with modern western leftists they were arrogant, aggressive and looking for any minuscule reason to openly hate somebody, most often one of their own. And from talking to a lot of other people, those personal experiences of mine are far from unique.
That was harrowing. There were a couple things I didn't understand: 1. What changed about China's surveillance systems or procedures to make them ~20x more effective at catching refugees in a couple years? 2. There's a bit about how North Korean refugees can apply for asylum in South Korea. I was under the impression (from Barbara Demick's book Nothing to Envy ) that all North Koreans are more or less granted asylum…
1. The article briefly discusses the impact of COVID, highlighting China's implementation of supplementary measures and limitations during this period. It is evident that having knowledge of individuals' travel destinations would undoubtedly assist in contact tracing efforts. However, as the article states it can also be used for malicious exploitation. 2. If your question is about why they go to Thailand instead of…
That makes sense. It does seem to point to an obvious maligned behavior NK could engage in: send inept spies, let it seem like a problem, and suddenly SK will have to apply extra scrutiny to any refugees. Hopefully the extra scrutiny won’t bump anyone from the “defect” to “don’t defect” camp. I guess it must be a secondary concern, I mean defecting is already a huge decision.
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It's not a conversation about COVID. It's one about contact tracing. And yes I think that evidence should always be required when talking about potential tools for such mass surveillance. "It makes sense" isn't really proof for anything, as the last pandemic has proven times and times again. For example here in Quebec, contact tracing apps and tracking location of everyone with covid has had pretty much no measurable…
> that still doesn't mean it is actually useful to stop a pandemic You're arguing against ghosts. That is not what I said, or even implied. I wrote: > It is evident that having knowledge of individuals' travel destinations would undoubtedly assist in contact tracing efforts. Tracking movement is obviously helpful for contact tracing, because you can track the proximity of individuals to each other and warn those who…
You keep repeating that it is obvious and again, saying that something is just... obvious is not enough when discussing dangerous, almost "dual use" methods like contact tracing using mass tracking.
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Are you asking for evidence that knowing everyone’s locations and travel itineraries would assist in contact tracing? Because I think that one is obvious. Otherwise, I’m not particularly interested in having a COVID conversation.
It's not a conversation about COVID. It's one about contact tracing. And yes I think that evidence should always be required when talking about potential tools for such mass surveillance. "It makes sense" isn't really proof for anything, as the last pandemic has proven times and times again. For example here in Quebec, contact tracing apps and tracking location of everyone with covid has had pretty much no measurable…
The only difference with COVID was the scale, not the methodology. There is an argument that if the disease is everywhere, people can be infected anywhere, and you would need an accordingly exponential increase in monitoring scale to pull any kind of signal from the noise floor. But the principles work for any disease.
source: TB control physician for 17 years
Recently read the book Escape from camp 13 I think it gives a good insight how life is in North Korea can recommend it
Any details you can share? Sounds interesting, but I probably won't get around to reading it.
https://open.spotify.com/episode/0G5o6GYjWgbSvKG3W2W2xO
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=joe+rogan+north...
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> that still doesn't mean it is actually useful to stop a pandemic You're arguing against ghosts. That is not what I said, or even implied. I wrote: > It is evident that having knowledge of individuals' travel destinations would undoubtedly assist in contact tracing efforts. Tracking movement is obviously helpful for contact tracing, because you can track the proximity of individuals to each other and warn those who…
Ok, how do you define a contact then? How can it be evident that tracking locations is obviously helpful for contact tracing without defining what it means to trace a contact? That's why evidence would be helpful here. How does knowing a location helps with determining a contact, especially for coarser tracking like know where someone is travelling. You keep repeating that it is obvious and again, saying that somethi…
You'll have to ask the Chinese CDC, I'm sure they have an answer for you much like our own CDCs do.
It's usually some combination of time and distance proximity to a confirmed COVID case.
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It's not a conversation about COVID. It's one about contact tracing. And yes I think that evidence should always be required when talking about potential tools for such mass surveillance. "It makes sense" isn't really proof for anything, as the last pandemic has proven times and times again. For example here in Quebec, contact tracing apps and tracking location of everyone with covid has had pretty much no measurable…
Contact tracing (contact investigation, etc.) is a standard practice in public health. In tuberculosis control where I got my start, it's what we do for any active case of TB we identify - we find the people who may have been exposed and widen the circle as necessary. It's also critical for STDs. The only difference with COVID was the scale, not the methodology. There is an argument that if the disease is everywhere,…
And agreed also that my point is probably more true for COVID than anything else. The scale of COVID is such that it automatically requires mass tracking to even consider contact tracing, but I guess my argument was that even then we should have evidence that such massive tracking improves contact tracing for very infectious viruses like COVID.
I'm genuinely asking, not in a "just asking questions" manner here. So thanks for replying! I didn't know contact tracing was useful for TB too.
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Any details you can share? Sounds interesting, but I probably won't get around to reading it.
The Yeonmi Park interview on Joe Rogan is FN nuts ; https://open.spotify.com/episode/0G5o6GYjWgbSvKG3W2W2xO https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=joe+rogan+north...
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Ok, how do you define a contact then? How can it be evident that tracking locations is obviously helpful for contact tracing without defining what it means to trace a contact? That's why evidence would be helpful here. How does knowing a location helps with determining a contact, especially for coarser tracking like know where someone is travelling. You keep repeating that it is obvious and again, saying that somethi…
> Ok, how do you define a contact then? You'll have to ask the Chinese CDC, I'm sure they have an answer for you much like our own CDCs do. It's usually some combination of time and distance proximity to a confirmed COVID case.