At least the new president of SK won't return defectors to NK to appease KJU like his predecessor president Moon.
https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/2023/02/28/national/nor...
Defecting from North Korea is now harder
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Re: Defecting from North Korea is now harder
#52https://archive.ph/UXyGN
Android 13: This site can’t provide a secure connection archive.ph uses an unsupported protocol. ERR_SSL_VERSION_OR_CIPHER_MISMATCH
Are you using CloudFlare for your DNS (i.e. 1.1.1.1)? The archive URLs (ph, is, today) used to block requests from them for some reason (and possibly still do).
EDIT: Apparently the issue was resolved in 2022 (on mobile and gotta run so can't link wiki page).
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North Korea was never a Soviet pet project. It's a Chinese buffer state that the Chinese don't even particularly like, but that they keep up because it's either that or have the US military, which they previously fought in the Korean War and which threatened to blow nukes up and which likely used biological weapons*, on their border. Both the USSR and China materially supported North Korea, but since the Sino-Soviet split, the Kims learnt to play the Chinese and Soviets off each other and therefore maintained a very high level of autonomy.
As a fellow African you'll know from France's (and Belgium's) involvement in the continent what exactly democratic and peaceable world powers do with weaker powers.
* Altought there is no scholarly consensus on either side nor ironclad evidence, there is a lot of circumstancial evidence, from reporters claiming to have seen odd ordinance dropped onto cities which would then have unexplained outbreaks, to American POWs admitting they were involved and refusing to recant even when they were in the US, until they were coerced to recant or be charged with treason - in the end it's sufficiently likely this happened for many historians to agree, and to me it does seem likely as well.
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Could you please not use HN primarily for political and ideological battle? Your account is showing a clear pattern of that already, and we have to ban such accounts. Lots of past explanation at https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme....
Also, please don't cross into personal attack. We ban accounts that do that as well.
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It’s also a country where the people are indoctrinated to believe their great leader is born under a double rainbow and descended straight from heaven, didn’t defecate ever, learnt to walk aged 3 weeks (yup) and to speak 5 weeks later at 8 weeks (yup), wrote 1500 books over 3 years, along with 6 operas (the bestest in the history of music, no less), and scored a 38 under par with 11 holes in one on the one and only N…
I'm sure you learned all that from other US/South Korean articles like this one, right? I watched a documentary about North Korean defectors that wanted to go back to North Korea, one of the many reasons was to be with their families. They never mentioned their family were imprisioned. And it wouldn't make much sense to want to go back if their family was imprisioned. Again, I'm no North Korean supporter or whatever,…
Unless you think the US is a saint and would never lie about enemy countries.
You seem to think the USA is just a monolith, and as such can be modeled as what the face of our government says. This is silly.
While it's true that business and especially the media is "in bed with" our government quite a lot of the time, it remains true that all have distinct interests.
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North Korea is democratic - it's right there in the "DPRK" name. Does it also call itself communist? Then it must be!
They’re not communist because they call themselves communist, they’re communist because communists agree with what they do. Stealing other people’s things, censoring opposing opinions, killing people they don’t like and making it illegal to leave are all very communist ideas. Seemingly the only thing communists don’t like about these “not true communist” countries is that they weren’t successful.
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Could you please not use HN primarily for political and ideological battle? Your account is showing a clear pattern of that already, and we have to ban such accounts. Lots of past explanation at https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme... . Also, please don't cross into personal attack. We ban accounts that do that as well. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html an…
Dang, the post this person is replying to is starting an ideological battle.
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They’re not communist because they call themselves communist, they’re communist because communists agree with what they do. Stealing other people’s things, censoring opposing opinions, killing people they don’t like and making it illegal to leave are all very communist ideas. Seemingly the only thing communists don’t like about these “not true communist” countries is that they weren’t successful.
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They’re ideas that communists support. Let’s start with the first one, do communists support shoplifting? That’s a yes or no question.
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You are perfectly right. Still "not a paradise" is an exaggerated euphemism once you look at available data (not only American).
Absolutely. I would definitely not like to live or even visit there. I just think that every story has 2 sides, and we don't hear the other side very often.
I absolutely despise this "every story has two sides" quip. No, every story doesn't have two sides. Yes, every story has multiple versions full of complete bullshit, but when we talk about a "side" we mean a reputable reliable side, and it is not the case that every story has two equally debatable and reputable sides. Sometimes a spade is a spade.