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Global heat in ‘uncharted territory’: 2023 could be the hottest year on record

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Re: Global heat in ‘uncharted territory’: 2023 could be the hottest year on record

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Post by Timon3 »

upsidesinclude wrote: post #66
colechristensen wrote: post #5

Not trying to deny anything but with the length of records and a random distribution you’d still expect “hottest year” to happen pretty often. (Somebody please do the statistics) With a very slightly warming planet it would indeed happen quite often. In other words… setting records means something, but less than one would expect by default. The more valid statistic is something like n of the last 30 years have been t…

The earth is in the final stages at the end of an ice age. It's weird, but for some reason people can't seem to recognize this fact. We exited a major glacial period and have been, for 11000 years, ending an ice age (a period with glacial ice at both polar regions). CURRENTLY, the period of time we are living in, is considered interglacial despite glaciers still covering significant portions of earth. The expectation…

> It's weird, but for some reason people can't seem to recognize this fact.

Who is not recognizing that fact?

Where people are disagreeing with - and you've heard this before, don't act like this is new - is that us leaving an ice age doesn't explain the rapid rise in temperature we're experiencing. Previous ice ages haven't ended this abruptly. So what does your comment add here?

People keep throwing in things like this as if it was an actual insight instead of a distraction.

Re: Global heat in ‘uncharted territory’: 2023 could be the hottest year on record

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Post by claytongulick »

itsanaccount wrote: post #55
claytongulick wrote: post #7

Or maybe not? [1] [1] https://temperature.global/

i think its important to mention that the linked page of temperatures links to a podcast called "debunking the climate change hysteria" by munchie and the bearman

Ad hominem attacks are boring, you can do better.

Maybe challenge the methodology?

Or the data sources?

"NOAA Global METARs NOAA One-Minute Observations (OMOs) NBDC Global Buoy Reports MADIS Mesonet Data"

Or should I ignore your comment because your HN handle is "itsanaccount"?

Re: Global heat in ‘uncharted territory’: 2023 could be the hottest year on record

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Post by colechristensen »

stavros wrote: post #68
ChatGTP wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It must have been so nice to experience the climate in the 1890s, imagine summers which were just nice and short, winters with beautiful, high quality and consistent snow falls and more permanently snow capped mountains. It must've been quite a beautiful time witness.

And with actual pleasant spring, rather than 10 C one day and 30 C the next. This was even happening in my childhood, you don't need to go as far back as 1890.

There are also natural long period climate cycles that global warming is on top of. Solar changes, small orbital and axis changes, long period climate resonances caused by many other things as well.

Basically everyone ever for thousands of years experienced different weather patterns as adults than as children. Also perception of weather as an adult and what actually gets remembered…

Climate is not naturally static and you can’t attribute every change to humans. There is a lot going on.

Re: Global heat in ‘uncharted territory’: 2023 could be the hottest year on record

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Post by thefurdrake »

claytongulick wrote: post #72
itsanaccount wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i think its important to mention that the linked page of temperatures links to a podcast called "debunking the climate change hysteria" by munchie and the bearman

Ad hominem attacks are boring, you can do better. Maybe challenge the methodology? Or the data sources? "NOAA Global METARs NOAA One-Minute Observations (OMOs) NBDC Global Buoy Reports MADIS Mesonet Data" Or should I ignore your comment because your HN handle is "itsanaccount"?

Can you please provide detail on how mentioning the existence interests of the source you provided is ad hominem? This is a new definition of ad hominem I don't think I've encountered before.

Re: Global heat in ‘uncharted territory’: 2023 could be the hottest year on record

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Post by thefurdrake »

blownpipeline wrote: post #29

Anyone who believes cnn at this point I feel sorry for. They’ve discredited themselves numerous times. They and media more generally are known for selling fear and pushing certain narratives because fear sells. And operation mockingbird was never really concluded. Psy ops are now more ubiquitous than ever. And it’s less hot now than the last few years where I live. And I don’t live in a big city. Big cities are hot a…

> And it’s less hot now than the last few years where I live.

It's a good thing that the statement being made isn't about your locality. I'm confused as to how this addresses the topic, since no one is making claims about all localities heating up at a universal rate, and the only people spreading the fallacy that climate change means "everywhere heating all at once equally" are the people who know very little about the topic in the first place...

But hey, the temp is lower where you live so I guess the topic's closed!

Re: Global heat in ‘uncharted territory’: 2023 could be the hottest year on record

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Post by thefurdrake »

blownpipeline wrote: post #52
cdumler wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you have ever had to deal with an air conditioner isn't cooling because of low freon, you'd know that the problem is because the coils get.. too.. cold. They get so cold that water in the air freezes around the coils to be the point there is little air flow possible. Why? When the freon is low, the freon expands too much into the coils. More expansion, more temperature drop in the coils. Additionally, the compress…

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You seem pretty upset about getting throttled on a site you respect so little.

Hmm.

Re: Global heat in ‘uncharted territory’: 2023 could be the hottest year on record

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Post by upsidesinclude »

Timon3 wrote: post #71
upsidesinclude wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The earth is in the final stages at the end of an ice age. It's weird, but for some reason people can't seem to recognize this fact. We exited a major glacial period and have been, for 11000 years, ending an ice age (a period with glacial ice at both polar regions). CURRENTLY, the period of time we are living in, is considered interglacial despite glaciers still covering significant portions of earth. The expectation…

> It's weird, but for some reason people can't seem to recognize this fact. Who is not recognizing that fact? Where people are disagreeing with - and you've heard this before, don't act like this is new - is that us leaving an ice age doesn't explain the rapid rise in temperature we're experiencing. Previous ice ages haven't ended this abruptly. So what does your comment add here? People keep throwing in things like…

Please provide some actual insight then.

The state of climate will not have a direct effect on your life, the span of years you are alive. Not to a significant degree.

It can have an indirect effect on your life by the introduction of harmful regressive policies designed to "account" for a changing climate and assign blame to everyday people.

Everyday people do not cause any of the drivers of climate change. Large corporations, governments and militaries do cause these drivers.

So what I'm adding here is sense.

It makes no sense to cripple an economy and destroy the middle class when it is clear there will not be global cooperation in addressing climate change. To be clear we are talking about the fact that BRICs will not cripple their growth and economy for the sake of this guilt complex.

Most countries can't even make a measurable change in comparison to these groups.

Re: Global heat in ‘uncharted territory’: 2023 could be the hottest year on record

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Post by Timon3 »

upsidesinclude wrote: post #77
Timon3 wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's weird, but for some reason people can't seem to recognize this fact. Who is not recognizing that fact? Where people are disagreeing with - and you've heard this before, don't act like this is new - is that us leaving an ice age doesn't explain the rapid rise in temperature we're experiencing. Previous ice ages haven't ended this abruptly. So what does your comment add here? People keep throwing in things like…

Please provide some actual insight then. The state of climate will not have a direct effect on your life, the span of years you are alive. Not to a significant degree. It can have an indirect effect on your life by the introduction of harmful regressive policies designed to "account" for a changing climate and assign blame to everyday people. Everyday people do not cause any of the drivers of climate change. Large co…

> The state of climate will not have a direct effect on your life, the span of years you are alive. Not to a significant degree.

The state of the climate already has a direct effect on my life by making summers way hotter than normal. I hate the warm temperatures over weeks, and my grandparents literally haven't known these kinds of summers until the last couple of years. This wouldn't have shifted so fast if it was just the exit of the ice age.

And that's just me disliking warmth. There are people living in areas that now literally are getting too hot for humans, which they weren't previously. There are people living through catastrophes which most likely would have been less severe if not for climate change.

> It can have an indirect effect on your life by the introduction of harmful regressive policies designed to "account" for a changing climate and assign blame to everyday people.

It's having a worse effect just by itself!

> Everyday people do not cause any of the drivers of climate change. Large corporations, governments and militaries do cause these drivers.

And to work towards that fact you spread climate change denial in the form of "we're just exiting an ice age"?

> So what I'm adding here is sense.

You're adding lies.

Re: Global heat in ‘uncharted territory’: 2023 could be the hottest year on record

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Post by revelio »

abhayhegde wrote: post #59
timmg wrote: post #17

We know and have known the earth is warming. Since there is some natural variability, we don’t set a new record every year . But if there wasn’t, we would. And so it shouldn’t be a surprise to us when we do.

It's not concerning that we are setting a new record; we know that's bound to happen. It's the pace of increase that's pushing us towards uncharted territories. We didn't anticipate these rapid changes.

It is not uncharted. The Vikings were doing agriculture in Greenland, the Romans grew wine in England as far north as Lincolnshire, bison were roaming at altitudes that cannot be found at today.

There were periods in the past warmer than it is today. Climatologists once knew this, it was uncontroversial. But when they realized they could raise the importance of their field by predicting disaster, this history became problematic and was erased.

https://www.epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/hearings?Id=BFE4...

I had another interesting experience around the time my paper in Science was published. I received an astonishing email from a major researcher in the area of climate change. He said, "We have to get rid of the Medieval Warm Period."

The Medieval Warm Period (MWP) was a time of unusually warm weather that began around 1000 AD and persisted until a cold period known as the "Little Ice Age" took hold in the 14th century. Warmer climate brought a remarkable flowering of prosperity, knowledge, and art to Europe during the High Middle Ages.

The existence of the MWP had been recognized in the scientific literature for decades. But now it was a major embarrassment to those maintaining that the 20th century warming was truly anomalous. It had to be "gotten rid of."

Re: Global heat in ‘uncharted territory’: 2023 could be the hottest year on record

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Post by revelio »

ygjb wrote: post #14
thatfrenchguy wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We’re more at « global warming » than « climate collapse » right now for most ecosystems.

Right - global warming as a function of climate change, it's not the climate that is collapsing, it's the ecology that ~8 billion people depend on to survive that is collapsing :) fiddles pedantically while the world burns

The ecology isn't collapsing either.
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