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Global heat in ‘uncharted territory’: 2023 could be the hottest year on record

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Re: Global heat in ‘uncharted territory’: 2023 could be the hottest year on record

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Not trying to deny anything but with the length of records and a random distribution you’d still expect “hottest year” to happen pretty often. (Somebody please do the statistics) With a very slightly warming planet it would indeed happen quite often. In other words… setting records means something, but less than one would expect by default. The more valid statistic is something like n of the last 30 years have been t…

They headlined it for emotional impact and clicks. People read "on record" and think it's the hottest the earth has been ever. When it's really 'the hottest' it's been the past few decades. Also, depending on where and how you measure, it will naturally be 'hotter' because the world is getting more urbanized. And cities are artificially hotter. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/city-hotter-co... Are they…

I'm having flashbacks to a famous decades old climate denialism talking point heavily pushed by the Koch pro oil media think tanks.

One so famous that it was studied in depth by a prominent US physics professor [1] and (then) climate skeptic using some Koch funding.

The results of the 2013 Berkeley Earth land temperature data analysis on urban heat islands answers your concerns:

    When we began our study, we felt that skeptics had raised legitimate issues, and we didn't know what we'd find. Our results turned out to be close to those published by prior groups. We think that means that those groups had truly been very careful in their work, despite their inability to convince some skeptics of that. They managed to avoid bias in their data selection, homogenization and other corrections.

    Global warming is real. Perhaps our results will help cool this portion of the climate debate. How much of the warming is due to humans and what will be the likely effects? We made no independent assessment of that. [1]
and

    The Berkeley Earth group concluded that the warming trend is real, that over the past 50 years (between the decades of the 1950s and 2000s) the land surface warmed by 0.91±0.05 °C, and their results mirror those obtained from earlier studies carried out by the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), the Hadley Centre, NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) Surface Temperature Analysis, and the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) at the University of East Anglia.

    The study also found that the urban heat island effect and poor station quality did not bias the results obtained from these earlier studies. [2]
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_A._Muller

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_Earth

Re: Global heat in ‘uncharted territory’: 2023 could be the hottest year on record

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Anyone who believes cnn at this point I feel sorry for. They’ve discredited themselves numerous times. They and media more generally are known for selling fear and pushing certain narratives because fear sells. And operation mockingbird was never really concluded. Psy ops are now more ubiquitous than ever. And it’s less hot now than the last few years where I live. And I don’t live in a big city. Big cities are hot a…

And it’s less hot now than the last few years where I live

That's not how it works.

CNN though, I agree, it's complete trash but climate change is not a "psy op".

Re: Global heat in ‘uncharted territory’: 2023 could be the hottest year on record

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After talking about it for thirty, forty years and not doing much more than feeling good about sorting our recycling, we're here at the tipping point. We need to not be talking about "climate change" anymore. We are here at "climate collapse".

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Re: Global heat in ‘uncharted territory’: 2023 could be the hottest year on record

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Methinks humans were not around at that time.

Most of our matter was? (note: gallows humor)

Gallows humor is fine if the plan is to throw in the towel on trying to find solutions of some sort and accept your death as inevitable.

Not my plan in this case, but you do you.

Re: Global heat in ‘uncharted territory’: 2023 could be the hottest year on record

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Can you explain the cardboard part?

During my divorce, I and my two teenaged sons moved in with relatives and the three of us occupied a single bedroom for nearly a year. We slept there, we kept all our possessions there and we stored SOME of the food we ate in that room, separate from the kitchen pantry for the rest of the family. This was in Georgia, which is very hot and humid in the summer, and initially we had trouble sleeping because the room jus…

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Re: Global heat in ‘uncharted territory’: 2023 could be the hottest year on record

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

During my divorce, I and my two teenaged sons moved in with relatives and the three of us occupied a single bedroom for nearly a year. We slept there, we kept all our possessions there and we stored SOME of the food we ate in that room, separate from the kitchen pantry for the rest of the family. This was in Georgia, which is very hot and humid in the summer, and initially we had trouble sleeping because the room jus…

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Wow, the cargo cult science here is beyond surreal. Absolutely speechless.

I think the term you are looking for with which to be dismissive is "It's anecdotal."

Last I checked, a family of three didn't qualify as A Tribe.

Re: Global heat in ‘uncharted territory’: 2023 could be the hottest year on record

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Not trying to deny anything but with the length of records and a random distribution you’d still expect “hottest year” to happen pretty often. (Somebody please do the statistics) With a very slightly warming planet it would indeed happen quite often. In other words… setting records means something, but less than one would expect by default. The more valid statistic is something like n of the last 30 years have been t…

If you look at the graph of the last 140 years of global average temperatures it definitely does not look random at all.... it just keeps going up https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/ContentWOC/images/globalte...

It must have been so nice to experience the climate in the 1890s, imagine summers which were just nice and short, winters with beautiful, high quality and consistent snow falls and more permanently snow capped mountains.

It must've been quite a beautiful time witness.

Re: Global heat in ‘uncharted territory’: 2023 could be the hottest year on record

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Anyone who believes cnn at this point I feel sorry for. They’ve discredited themselves numerous times. They and media more generally are known for selling fear and pushing certain narratives because fear sells. And operation mockingbird was never really concluded. Psy ops are now more ubiquitous than ever. And it’s less hot now than the last few years where I live. And I don’t live in a big city. Big cities are hot a…

And it’s less hot now than the last few years where I live That's not how it works. CNN though, I agree, it's complete trash but climate change is not a "psy op".

Climate change is THE psy op. I know a thing or two about it. I myself was in the climate change camp/cult for a while. The hot weather this summer is driven primarily by the El Nino which is a natural cycle. So yes, we’ll have weird and in some places (especially densely populated cities) hot weather for about 2-5 years, but then I predict temperature will go down.

Greenhouse effect is a third order effect, maybe a second order, but that’s a huge stretch. I am being generous.

Edit: I don’t like being robbed on the ability to reply and being gaslit at the same time. “You posting too fast, slow down, thanks” my ass. If anything, it just gives me more reason to believe that there’s a narrative and any and all dissenting voices are being supressed. Under fair conditions, I’d debate anyone on this subject because as I have said previously, I can see through the bullshit. Consider this my last comment on this subject. I now have to go and save the planet from more psyops, like the war in Ukraine is not a proxy war and was unprovoked. Bye!

Re: Global heat in ‘uncharted territory’: 2023 could be the hottest year on record

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

During my divorce, I and my two teenaged sons moved in with relatives and the three of us occupied a single bedroom for nearly a year. We slept there, we kept all our possessions there and we stored SOME of the food we ate in that room, separate from the kitchen pantry for the rest of the family. This was in Georgia, which is very hot and humid in the summer, and initially we had trouble sleeping because the room jus…

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Agreed. It reads like they opened the fridge for awhile to remove the cardboard and that cooled the room down. Problem being that the fridge will then heat the room more to cool itself back down.

Re: Global heat in ‘uncharted territory’: 2023 could be the hottest year on record

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Agreed. It reads like they opened the fridge for awhile to remove the cardboard and that cooled the room down. Problem being that the fridge will then heat the room more to cool itself back down.

There was no fridge in that room. So guess again.

Or, you know, try it in your space and supply counter data to mine. It was measured with a thermometer.

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