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Global heat in ‘uncharted territory’: 2023 could be the hottest year on record

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Re: Global heat in ‘uncharted territory’: 2023 could be the hottest year on record

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Post by vkou »

goodbyesf wrote: post #11
colechristensen wrote: post #5

Not trying to deny anything but with the length of records and a random distribution you’d still expect “hottest year” to happen pretty often. (Somebody please do the statistics) With a very slightly warming planet it would indeed happen quite often. In other words… setting records means something, but less than one would expect by default. The more valid statistic is something like n of the last 30 years have been t…

They headlined it for emotional impact and clicks. People read "on record" and think it's the hottest the earth has been ever. When it's really 'the hottest' it's been the past few decades. Also, depending on where and how you measure, it will naturally be 'hotter' because the world is getting more urbanized. And cities are artificially hotter. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/city-hotter-co... Are they…

> They headlined it for emotional impact and clicks. People read "on record" and think it's the hottest the earth has been ever. When it's really 'the hottest' it's been the past few decades.

It's the hottest it's ever been for human civilization, and it's going to keep getting hotter and hotter.

Re: Global heat in ‘uncharted territory’: 2023 could be the hottest year on record

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Post by headsupernova »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #19
ygjb wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is nothing that individual consumers can do that will change this. Policy is needed at a national and international level.

Perhaps. But if you don't want to be a statistic counted among the dead in the next heat wave, I recommend taking your trash out, getting rid of cardboard, etc to make the temp and humidity in your space more bearable.

Can you explain the cardboard part?

Re: Global heat in ‘uncharted territory’: 2023 could be the hottest year on record

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Post by ccooffee »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #6

Rather than AC, which just deepens the problem by increasing our energy burn rate, we need more passive solar design. Plus more mixed-use, walkable neighborhoods. Also: Reduce upholstered furniture, books and similar, take trash out more regularly, remove all cardboard from groceries as soon as you get them home.

> Also: Reduce upholstered furniture, books and similar, take trash out more regularly, remove all cardboard from groceries as soon as you get them home.

What? I don't understand what any of these things accomplish, let alone a common element between them.

Re: Global heat in ‘uncharted territory’: 2023 could be the hottest year on record

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Post by DoreenMichele »

headsupernova wrote: post #22
DoreenMichele wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps. But if you don't want to be a statistic counted among the dead in the next heat wave, I recommend taking your trash out, getting rid of cardboard, etc to make the temp and humidity in your space more bearable.

Can you explain the cardboard part?

During my divorce, I and my two teenaged sons moved in with relatives and the three of us occupied a single bedroom for nearly a year. We slept there, we kept all our possessions there and we stored SOME of the food we ate in that room, separate from the kitchen pantry for the rest of the family.

This was in Georgia, which is very hot and humid in the summer, and initially we had trouble sleeping because the room just stayed too hot and humid, especially when it was warm.

I have no idea why we did this, but one day we took all the cans of sodas out of the cardboard boxes and threw the boxes out and took other food items out of the cardboard boxes and repackaged some of it in Ziploc bags. And suddenly the room was cool and dry enough to be comfortable.

We thought we were imagining this. Like "Noooo, that can't be."

But there happened to be a thermometer in the window of this room and on subsequent occasions we were able to determine by repeating this that the temperature consistently dropped five degrees Fahrenheit whenever we removed all the cardboard from the food supplies stored in our room.

So it eventually became policy to take everything out of the cardboard box and throw away the cardboard box right after we got all the groceries home. We still do this.

Removing cardboard, etc, drops the temperature and humidity and most likely it is because cardboard et al is more or less slowly rotting. Kind of the same reason hay bails catch fire.

Re: Global heat in ‘uncharted territory’: 2023 could be the hottest year on record

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Post by eyelidlessness »

colechristensen wrote: post #5

Not trying to deny anything but with the length of records and a random distribution you’d still expect “hottest year” to happen pretty often. (Somebody please do the statistics) With a very slightly warming planet it would indeed happen quite often. In other words… setting records means something, but less than one would expect by default. The more valid statistic is something like n of the last 30 years have been t…

They also keep happening in closer concentration. It’s not like you just break a record once and then the record is settled.

Re: Global heat in ‘uncharted territory’: 2023 could be the hottest year on record

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Post by ChatGTP »

ygjb wrote: post #14
thatfrenchguy wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We’re more at « global warming » than « climate collapse » right now for most ecosystems.

Right - global warming as a function of climate change, it's not the climate that is collapsing, it's the ecology that ~8 billion people depend on to survive that is collapsing :) fiddles pedantically while the world burns

Fires up thousands of GPUs to train more models to solve climate change

Re: Global heat in ‘uncharted territory’: 2023 could be the hottest year on record

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Post by klyrs »

colechristensen wrote: post #5

Not trying to deny anything but with the length of records and a random distribution you’d still expect “hottest year” to happen pretty often. (Somebody please do the statistics) With a very slightly warming planet it would indeed happen quite often. In other words… setting records means something, but less than one would expect by default. The more valid statistic is something like n of the last 30 years have been t…

Indeed, the atmosphere was some 230°C back in the Hadean, and we got along fine... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadean#atmosphere

Re: Global heat in ‘uncharted territory’: 2023 could be the hottest year on record

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Post by DoreenMichele »

klyrs wrote: post #27
colechristensen wrote: post #5

Not trying to deny anything but with the length of records and a random distribution you’d still expect “hottest year” to happen pretty often. (Somebody please do the statistics) With a very slightly warming planet it would indeed happen quite often. In other words… setting records means something, but less than one would expect by default. The more valid statistic is something like n of the last 30 years have been t…

Indeed, the atmosphere was some 230°C back in the Hadean, and we got along fine... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadean#atmosphere

Methinks humans were not around at that time.

Re: Global heat in ‘uncharted territory’: 2023 could be the hottest year on record

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Post by blownpipeline »

Anyone who believes cnn at this point I feel sorry for. They’ve discredited themselves numerous times. They and media more generally are known for selling fear and pushing certain narratives because fear sells. And operation mockingbird was never really concluded. Psy ops are now more ubiquitous than ever.

And it’s less hot now than the last few years where I live. And I don’t live in a big city. Big cities are hot as hell, and should be abandoned or completely redesigned because they are unlivable hell holes.

Re: Global heat in ‘uncharted territory’: 2023 could be the hottest year on record

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Post by klyrs »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #28
klyrs wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed, the atmosphere was some 230°C back in the Hadean, and we got along fine... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadean#atmosphere

Methinks humans were not around at that time.

Most of our matter was? (note: gallows humor)
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