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Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Post by kibwen »

dagmx wrote: post #34
shipscode wrote: post #4

Having messed with VR/AR tech since the DK2, the Apple Store presence could be the killer app that VR/AR needs. The manual learning process of ordering special fit lenses, adjusting the headsets, etc would be a great fit with Apple’s store model.

The big win I think will be the App Store rather than just the Apple Store. the App Store will provide reducing the need to take the headset off to use general apps. When you use an oculus, if you need to do something like reply to a text, check an email or reply to someone on social media, you have to take off your headset or kill your current task and switch to virtual desktop. Having all your iOS apps on it, and b…

> The big win I think will be the App Store rather than just the Apple Store

It won't be using the app store, though. It's using a brand-new store, built from scratch. No iOS apps will be there unless the authors rewrite them to be compatible with visionOS.

Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Post by haberman »

balls187 wrote: post #42
MegaDeKay wrote: post #38

"Gurman says Apple will ensure that the Vision Pro fits the wearer and also outfit the device with prescription lens inserts if needed" I wear prescription glasses and have gone from single vision to progressive lenses that are stupid expensive. Worse, my prescription changes every visit to the optometrist. How sensitive is the headset's performance to my prescription, how expensive would replacement lenses be, and h…

How old are you? 20’s, 30’s, 40’s, or beyond? As you likely know your vision will eventually settle when you hit late 30’s. Also I assume you have considered LASIK?

I always assumed I'd get LASIK if my vision started to degrade. Then I learned that apparently LASIK can't treat age-related farsightedness: fixing your close vision will mess up your far vision. The only option AFAIU is to treat one eye only, so you have one eye for close vision and one eye for far. That doesn't sound very enticing to me.

Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Post by bugglebeetle »

MegaDeKay wrote: post #38

"Gurman says Apple will ensure that the Vision Pro fits the wearer and also outfit the device with prescription lens inserts if needed" I wear prescription glasses and have gone from single vision to progressive lenses that are stupid expensive. Worse, my prescription changes every visit to the optometrist. How sensitive is the headset's performance to my prescription, how expensive would replacement lenses be, and h…

> Worse, my prescription changes every visit to the optometrist.

FYI, unless your vision is quite bad, this is likely to bilk you and/or your insurance for money. I have slight-to-moderately bad eyesight and had optometrists trying to change my prescription every year as well, to no noticeable effect. I started getting my eyes checked only every few years and then taking away my prescription without purchasing glasses immediately. You can generally gauge how honest your optometrist is by how indignant this makes them.

Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Post by tikkun »

anonymouse008 wrote: post #49

They need to go back and read the Newton’s postmortem. With every new detail about this devices release - it’s becoming clearer and clearer this device just is not ready. I was excited iPad apps could be directly ported over to VisionPro - but now after hacking with it in XCode - it’s evident this device and its APIs have no idea that customer intent drives context . This lack of customer awareness is so interesting…

> This lack of customer awareness is so interesting because all the designers in WWDC videos outline context with great labor. They forget a space is only part of an intent, and an intent is not a click or scroll. Intents demand a certain context, not the other way around - they’re scratching at old scars of starting with technology first then working to some customer experience.

Could you elaborate on that? I'd like to better understand

Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Post by [deleted] »

gibbitz wrote: post #24

Even if they came to my house to fit me with it I wouldn't buy it. What problem is it solving for someone other than Apple? We've been seeing this AR pipe-dream for 10+ years and it hasn't caught on. Not because the technology was bad, but because people just don't want it. What Apple is missing here is that people wanted the iPhone (a phone with an iPod built in) for years before it was even officially announced as…

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Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Post by dragonwriter »

kibwen wrote: post #47
balls187 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How old are you? 20’s, 30’s, 40’s, or beyond? As you likely know your vision will eventually settle when you hit late 30’s. Also I assume you have considered LASIK?

> your vision will eventually settle when you hit late 30’s Eyesight doesn't settle, it continues to deteriorate with age. Lasik also deteriorates with time, normally becoming noticeable about ten years after the surgery. Lasik providers offer "touch ups" as you get older in order to ameliorate this.

> Eyesight doesn't settle, it continues to deteriorate with age

Apparently a common pattern, at least for myopia, is for that to stop progressing in the late 30s, but then focussing response to get worse (why people end up needing reading glasses in their 50s-ish.)

Certainly that's what I've experienced, and what before I did I was told to expect.

Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Post by dagmx »

kibwen wrote: post #51
dagmx wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The big win I think will be the App Store rather than just the Apple Store. the App Store will provide reducing the need to take the headset off to use general apps. When you use an oculus, if you need to do something like reply to a text, check an email or reply to someone on social media, you have to take off your headset or kill your current task and switch to virtual desktop. Having all your iOS apps on it, and b…

> The big win I think will be the App Store rather than just the Apple Store It won't be using the app store, though. It's using a brand-new store, built from scratch. No iOS apps will be there unless the authors rewrite them to be compatible with visionOS.

You’re incorrect. It runs iOS and iPadOS apps out of the box. You can even see some if you download the simulator.

https://developer.apple.com/wwdc23/10090

Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Post by ozten »

MegaDeKay wrote: post #38

"Gurman says Apple will ensure that the Vision Pro fits the wearer and also outfit the device with prescription lens inserts if needed" I wear prescription glasses and have gone from single vision to progressive lenses that are stupid expensive. Worse, my prescription changes every visit to the optometrist. How sensitive is the headset's performance to my prescription, how expensive would replacement lenses be, and h…

VR’s focus plane is 4-6 feet away for all distances, so you won’t need progressive lenses.

Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Post by MegaDeKay »

bugglebeetle wrote: post #53
MegaDeKay wrote: post #38

"Gurman says Apple will ensure that the Vision Pro fits the wearer and also outfit the device with prescription lens inserts if needed" I wear prescription glasses and have gone from single vision to progressive lenses that are stupid expensive. Worse, my prescription changes every visit to the optometrist. How sensitive is the headset's performance to my prescription, how expensive would replacement lenses be, and h…

> Worse, my prescription changes every visit to the optometrist. FYI, unless your vision is quite bad, this is likely to bilk you and/or your insurance for money. I have slight-to-moderately bad eyesight and had optometrists trying to change my prescription every year as well, to no noticeable effect. I started getting my eyes checked only every few years and then taking away my prescription without purchasing glasse…

Not the case for me. I schedule my appointments not from the last time I went, but when I start seeing crappy.

Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Post by upon_drumhead »

stevenwoo wrote: post #44
chasing wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I share my PlayStation and AppleTV with friends and family. And, yeah, my kid regularly uses my iPad and family members definitely use one another’s phones on occasion. Also the Vision Pro is expensive enough that not every family member will get one — if there’s one in the house it sure would be cool if everyone could use it.

It sure sounds like anyone in a household can use it but if anyone has a different eyeglass corrective lens prescription (very likely unless everyone still has 20/20 vision) from the primary user it’s a very substandard experience.

They showed in the demo the switching lenses was easy as they are magnetic.

Likely the upfront issues would be getting everyone their personalized lenses, but actually using seems like it would be easy.

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