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When an app asks for permissions, it should have a “feed fake data” option

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Re: When an app asks for permissions, it should have a “feed fake data” option

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For starters, it does nothing at all to prevent taking screen shots. Which is what this thread is about. As for high quality video capture, it is trivially easy to do. How do you think high quality copies of Netflix-only content ends up on the pirate bay they same day it comes out?

Yes it does prevent taking screenshots of high resolution playback. Your options become low resolution capture or nothing. High quality captures are still possible if you connect an external capture device coupled with something that provides the necessary drm authentication or you need a software based drm defeat. Neither are “trivial” as you say.

An HDMI splitter completely removes HDCP, so if you want to do a hardware approach, that doesn't require any software at all. If you don't want to use some cheap product from amazon, just run Netflix in a desktop VM. Both of these options are very trivial to implement, no complicated software bypass at all. Also remember that for piracy to occur, you only need one person to go to this very small level of effort to get a torrent uploaded. These protections are useless, and achieve nothing other than bothering legitimate users.

Also, here's a screenshot I just took of a Netflix show (it's 1080p, but still...) https://imgur.com/a/evJjf06

Re: When an app asks for permissions, it should have a “feed fake data” option

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Discussed recently on ATP[1] - this is a huge security hole. If you give access to all photos, apparently the app can search through the EXIF data to extract locations and timestamps, and build up a very accurate timeline of your whereabouts. 1: https://atp.fm/542

Is it though? If you want Google Photos to back up your photo library… it needs full access to everything to do that. Very very few apps should need full photo access. But photo backups/cloud libraries are the one I can think of that do. I was actually surprised no one on ATP brought that up.

Ok but what if you don’t want to use Google Photos for that?

Re: When an app asks for permissions, it should have a “feed fake data” option

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> Apple Maps wouldn’t have this issue. It’s capable of running offline (without a data connection) because it can download maps to the device. Why would that matter? Even if the map data is cached locally, a navigation app obviously needs a GPS location from the phone, which requires it to be granted permissions. And the fake data would be equally disastrous to any navigation app. Or are you suggesting that if Apple…

If you don't have a data connection then it's fine to give location data to an application because there's nowhere it can send it. With properly designed APIs, the app shouldn't be able to store the location data either, only display it to the user by calling the map API.

If you don't give the location data to the application, how is it going to do navigation, finding restaurants near you, and all other similar features?

Re: When an app asks for permissions, it should have a “feed fake data” option

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I only go to F-droid for these utility apps. Guitar tuners, flashlights, QR scanners, etc. Open source hobby-sized projects which are done when they're done.

This is a terrific strategy! I'm going to do exactly this. Thanks for sharing.

Cythara on f-droid for guitar tuning!

Re: When an app asks for permissions, it should have a “feed fake data” option

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That's incorrect, I just tried it on iOS. When you open it, it defaults to the "Photos" tab which has a message (not a dialog) asking for all photos access. But if you switch to any other tab (like Search or Library) you've got access to all of your photos in the cloud. On the one hand you wouldn't realize that if you never tried tapping another tab. But on the other hand, the main "Photos" tab is designed to access…

It’s partially correct. I installed the Google Photos app with the intention of sharing some photos from my phone to a shared album. As far as I can tell, it is not possible to give Google Photos access to a limited selection of photos. The app just tells you to go back and give access to all photos.

You can access all your cloud photos without granting access to any local photos -- that was the main point.

Yes you're correct that there's no way to give access to only selected local photos, but that permission also doesn't really make sense for the app. Its main purpose is to back up all of your photos automatically.

If you want to upload individual photos just do it directly from photos.google.com. It's a single click. There's no reason to install the app at all.

Re: When an app asks for permissions, it should have a “feed fake data” option

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Fine, then don't make an app. Your loss, not mine.

If you are building an app platform the whole point is to get as many quality apps on it as you can. Telling app developers to go pound sand and not make an app for your platform is your loss.

Someone else will make that app without the tracking.

Re: When an app asks for permissions, it should have a “feed fake data” option

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>This seems like a learning opportunity. Or a Darwinian opportunity. Either way, self-solving. I took either as meaning a learning opportunity for one or all of the 1) GPS app makers, 2) the person who blindly followed the directions of a robot, or 3) the rest of us who learn about the event. What interpretation did you have that suggests they were referring to eugenics?

I think you're selectively ignoring parts of the comment. "Darwinian opportunity ... [which is] self-solving" is clearly referring to the death of a person who blindly followed GPS directions for a mis-configured app. GP was saying that anyone who dies because an app told them wrong information was not "fit" (darwinian fitness) for survival. Expressing no remorse or desire to prevent preventable death with the justif…

Am I high right now? I think you're selectively ignoring parts of the comment. It's 13 words: "This seems like a learning opportunity. Or a Darwinian opportunity. Either way, self-solving."

You're turning the comment into 3 words: "Darwinian opportunity ... [which is] self-solving"

Small reminder that on HN you are supposed to steelman comments when you reply, not strawman. Clearly those 3 words refers to the death of the person, but you can't ignore the remaining 10 words and say the entire comment was about eugenics. So which of the 13 words am I ignoring that you aren't?

Also natural selection and killing off dumb people who are already alive is not eugenics. It's either epigenetics or genocide but like I said in a previous comment: eugenics is used to select fitness _before birth_ not after.

Re: When an app asks for permissions, it should have a “feed fake data” option

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Is it though? If you want Google Photos to back up your photo library… it needs full access to everything to do that. Very very few apps should need full photo access. But photo backups/cloud libraries are the one I can think of that do. I was actually surprised no one on ATP brought that up.

Ok but what if you don’t want to use Google Photos for that?

Genuine question: what else does it do? I thought that was all it was for.
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