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California needs real math education, not gimmicks

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Re: California needs real math education, not gimmicks

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algebra until highschool? some students can take it as early as 5th/6th grade. ludicrous.

Depends on definitions mostly. You’ll likely start doing things like simple linear equations, including algebraic notation before formally doing “algebra 1”

Resounding agreement. I know kindergartners who can solve “z = x + y, solve for x” forms of problems, but some people call that “algebra”.

Re: California needs real math education, not gimmicks

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California k-12 public education has become a joke. Even the top rated schools are succeeding from students going to after school tutoring and not from the education in the public institution. It’s appalling how California cares more about homelessness, undocumented immigrants, and Medicare over education. Education is the single biggest factor to driving social mobility of the poor to middle class, and middle class…

More and more I get the feeling California doesn't care about the homelessness, undocumented immigrants, and Medicare. There are just a ton of grifters who make a lot of noise on the topics, but don't push for policies that would actually improve things. Or push for them in a way that is just more red tape that hinders actual results. Education is in the same bucket. Lots of noise from lots of people with bad ideas o…

they likely dedicate good amount of money, but overall corrupted and inefficient system doesn't allow to put these money at work.

Re: California needs real math education, not gimmicks

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post #24

I feel like the facts are a little thin. It is not really true that "For decades, American math curriculum has followed a standard sequence: arithmetic, algebra, geometry, algebra II, precalculus and trigonometry, and calculus." That may have been the local condition in some places. The high school in my city does not have and has never had any named math course except calculus and statistics. Everything else is just…

Pretty much everyone I know has gone thru this exact sequence of math courses, including myself.

Re: California needs real math education, not gimmicks

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post #29

California k-12 public education has become a joke. Even the top rated schools are succeeding from students going to after school tutoring and not from the education in the public institution. It’s appalling how California cares more about homelessness, undocumented immigrants, and Medicare over education. Education is the single biggest factor to driving social mobility of the poor to middle class, and middle class…

What gives you the impression that California prioritizes homelessness, immigrants, and medicare over education? The state spent $136 billion on k-12 education last year, making it far and away the largest spending program. Anti-homelessness programs typically get 1% that much, although recent years have been slightly more as the housing crisis worsens.

> The state spent $136 billion on k-12 education

is it state or local taxes?..

Re: California needs real math education, not gimmicks

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

More and more I get the feeling California doesn't care about the homelessness, undocumented immigrants, and Medicare. There are just a ton of grifters who make a lot of noise on the topics, but don't push for policies that would actually improve things. Or push for them in a way that is just more red tape that hinders actual results. Education is in the same bucket. Lots of noise from lots of people with bad ideas o…

The homelessness industrial complex is quite profitable.

government bureacracy learned from the Military industrial complex (and Pentagon) how to leech $$$ from the government and keep problems alive to keep $$$ flowing

Re: California needs real math education, not gimmicks

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post #41

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The only incentive that works is letting such institutions crash and burn and be replaced. Even giant monopolies can end up losing money and going under.

In the context of Education or you have an entranched monopoly, this means voting for private school vouchers.

No, private schools can reject students. This means voting for charter schools.

Re: California needs real math education, not gimmicks

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post #29

California k-12 public education has become a joke. Even the top rated schools are succeeding from students going to after school tutoring and not from the education in the public institution. It’s appalling how California cares more about homelessness, undocumented immigrants, and Medicare over education. Education is the single biggest factor to driving social mobility of the poor to middle class, and middle class…

What gives you the impression that California prioritizes homelessness, immigrants, and medicare over education? The state spent $136 billion on k-12 education last year, making it far and away the largest spending program. Anti-homelessness programs typically get 1% that much, although recent years have been slightly more as the housing crisis worsens.

California ranks no where near the top on dollars spent per student. Rankings are worse when you account for each states cost of living.

https://www.learner.com/blog/states-that-spend-the-most-on-e...

Re: California needs real math education, not gimmicks

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post #4

Data Science is a form of statistics. Algebra II is a pre-requisite for statistics. How is replacing a pre-requisite with a more advanced class is a good idea?

How is data science not just statistics, rebranded? When I studied statistics in university we studied clustering, regression, hypothesis testing, confidence intervals, visualisations, charting, general linear models... how is this different from data science? Is it just because we have more computing power, so we rebranded it? Instead of doing frequentist analyses because those are easy to do with smaller computers,…

statistics assumes you have data prepared and ready to work on.

data science is more practical in a sense, you learn more to prepare real-life data for analysis.

also statistics coursework doesn't cover ML part (at least the stats course that I took)

Re: California needs real math education, not gimmicks

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post #61
post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depends on definitions mostly. You’ll likely start doing things like simple linear equations, including algebraic notation before formally doing “algebra 1”

Resounding agreement. I know kindergartners who can solve “z = x + y, solve for x” forms of problems, but some people call that “algebra”.

What I really mean is a lot of introduction to y = mx + b as a linear function

Re: California needs real math education, not gimmicks

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post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the context of Education or you have an entranched monopoly, this means voting for private school vouchers.

private school vouchers seems like a great idea, but I am afraid it will mirror college situation. most state schools will have bare bones programs, except few select, while private schools will be many levels ahead and become "elite". do we want "ivy league" situation with K-12 education system?

The bare bones the market would create would depend on if people really want K-12 to be a glorified daycare or a useful tool for imparting knowledge. But having a financial incentive to function or go bust would mean you'd at least get better daycare services.
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