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Top suspect in 2015 Ashley Madison hack committed suicide in 2014

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Re: Top suspect in 2015 Ashley Madison hack committed suicide in 2014

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Post by addisonl »

hospitalJail wrote: post #66
busterarm wrote: post #41

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Advertising to horny people is hilariously effective.

Its one of the primal needs. Its why some companies are so effective at selling Veblen goods to status seekers. When I was growing up, I got abercrombie/american eagle because it was cool to girls. Today teens get Apple/Nike products. Not that any of these actually change your status, but the marketers were able to sell that idea/feeling. As an adult, you see people buying/leasing Tesla's or more expensive cars to do…

Plenty of people just enjoy having nice things, it’s not all about status despite what you think.

Re: Top suspect in 2015 Ashley Madison hack committed suicide in 2014

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Post by matt-attack »

addisonl wrote: post #141
hospitalJail wrote: post #66

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Its one of the primal needs. Its why some companies are so effective at selling Veblen goods to status seekers. When I was growing up, I got abercrombie/american eagle because it was cool to girls. Today teens get Apple/Nike products. Not that any of these actually change your status, but the marketers were able to sell that idea/feeling. As an adult, you see people buying/leasing Tesla's or more expensive cars to do…

Plenty of people just enjoy having nice things, it’s not all about status despite what you think.

Exactly. I love nice things but I detest how it makes me look. That’s why I debadge my cars, never wear logos, and would prefer it if, generally, people didn’t know I exist.

The idea that people buy Tesla to be seen, is just a complete generalization. I own one because it’s the funnest car I’ve ever owned by a long shot. I keep it polished clean constantly, not so other people see it as nice, but because I prefer how a clean car looks TO ME rather than a dirty car.

I only buy Apple products because I love how they work and how they look and how they feel. TO ME. I could give a rats ass what other people think of me while I use Apple products.

Re: Top suspect in 2015 Ashley Madison hack committed suicide in 2014

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Post by busterarm »

djur wrote: post #136
busterarm wrote: post #82

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No, then they're called a Gary Stu, Marty Stu, Marty Sam or Tom Sue and they exist too. They too are annoying and numerous, but less common. Harry Potter, Scott Pilgrim, James Bond, any character Vin Diesel plays, etc. Mary Sues are called out rightly because they're a shitty trope used by lazy writers. Nobody (with any intelligence or credibility) ever said that George Lucas was a particularly great writer. It's pop…

How could Harry Potter be a "Gary Stu" when he is the main character of the series?

What are you talking about? Mary Sues are almost exclusively main characters.

Re: Top suspect in 2015 Ashley Madison hack committed suicide in 2014

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Post by olliej »

tptacek wrote: post #32
olliej wrote: post #20

Wait, so they were defaming a dead guy? Wouldn't that be something the guy's family could sue over?

You can't defame a dead person.

I'll rephrase "can the family of the dead person sue people for causing emotional - and potentially financial - trauma due to people making false claims of criminal activity?"

I also get there's a glib "you can sue for anything, but it can always be thrown out" response, but that's a non-answer.

Re: Top suspect in 2015 Ashley Madison hack committed suicide in 2014

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Post by andrepd »

fardo wrote: post #31
andrepd wrote: post #19

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I wonder how releasing new films (good or bad) is supposed to "murder" an existing franchise.

Each new entry in a franchise is contagious against old entries in two ways 1. It typically carves out new canon about its universe, and 2. Closes old loose ends Canon when added haphazardly can: A. retroactively create in-universe plot-holes (if X existed in the universe, then Y happening in the originals made no sense, they would have known about it), B. remove magic and mystery from an existing universe (famously…

Not gonna lie, that's a whole lot of bullet points for a friggin Indiana Jones film.

Some perspective, please, it's just a light movie.

Re: Top suspect in 2015 Ashley Madison hack committed suicide in 2014

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Post by andrepd »

mustacheemperor wrote: post #22
andrepd wrote: post #19

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I wonder how releasing new films (good or bad) is supposed to "murder" an existing franchise.

Indiana Jones, as a franchise, mostly exists to present-day audiences as a series of Harrison Ford movies. Which, to sidecar a bit, seems like a shame when the point and click titles made by the Monkey Island folks were absolutely fantastic. I'd say Fate of Atlantis is a way better 4th installment than Crystal Skull. But at any rate, following up a movie generally viewed as mediocre with what's shaping up to be one o…

Sure, "murdering" in that sense is perfectly accurate, just not in the "somehow poisoning older entries" sense.

Also, +1 on your last paragraph. I want more light-hearted swashbucklers!

Re: Top suspect in 2015 Ashley Madison hack committed suicide in 2014

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Post by andrepd »

busterarm wrote: post #82
jonathankoren wrote: post #61

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No. It's specifically the "Mary Sue" part that he's annoyed by. That term is never used online to refer to male character. Of course, a dude that can not only be athletic, can read every inscription in every ancient language, is an expert in every ancient civilization, and use a bull whip as a grappling hook at will gets a pass.

No, then they're called a Gary Stu, Marty Stu, Marty Sam or Tom Sue and they exist too. They too are annoying and numerous, but less common. Harry Potter, Scott Pilgrim, James Bond, any character Vin Diesel plays, etc. Mary Sues are called out rightly because they're a shitty trope used by lazy writers. Nobody (with any intelligence or credibility) ever said that George Lucas was a particularly great writer. It's pop…

>No, then they're called a Gary Stu, Marty Stu, Marty Sam or Tom Sue

Well I never heard any of those names ever.

Re: Top suspect in 2015 Ashley Madison hack committed suicide in 2014

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Post by tptacek »

olliej wrote: post #144
tptacek wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't defame a dead person.

I'll rephrase "can the family of the dead person sue people for causing emotional - and potentially financial - trauma due to people making false claims of criminal activity?" I also get there's a glib "you can sue for anything, but it can always be thrown out" response, but that's a non-answer.

I understood the question and believe the answer to be “no”.

Re: Top suspect in 2015 Ashley Madison hack committed suicide in 2014

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Post by djur »

matthewrobertso wrote: post #139
djur wrote: post #135

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Unclear to me how this fanfic concept could apply to a character in an official movie.

How could this be unclear? They are both narratives. They both have characters. Why wouldn't a concept about characters from one map to the other? Do you think fanfic characters and official movie characters are incompatible types? I have never read or written a fan fic and encountered this term countless times in discussion of media. I'm honestly baffled how you can't imagine a movie with a character embodying the q…

I'm going by the description in the source you provided me, which provides a detailed and specific meaning in the context of fanfic and then says the term is also used as a general pejorative. If I'm not meant to use the description in that source I'm not sure why you linked to it.

Re: Top suspect in 2015 Ashley Madison hack committed suicide in 2014

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Post by djur »

busterarm wrote: post #143
djur wrote: post #136

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How could Harry Potter be a "Gary Stu" when he is the main character of the series?

What are you talking about? Mary Sues are almost exclusively main characters.

In fanfiction. The Harry Potter books are not fanfiction.
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