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I stopped buying new laptops (2020)

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Re: I stopped buying new laptops (2020)

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post #105

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What’s delusional is highly paid engineers not investing money in essential tools to get their work done. A new laptop is 1-2% of the annual salary of many people here.

I think there is nothing wrong with investing in equipment. I think there is something wasteful with replacing a laptop every year. Unless its some crazy jump in hardware between cpu/gpu generations that you weren't in sync for.

You can sell your mac every year then upgrade don't cost full price

Re: I stopped buying new laptops (2020)

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I just bought a new Macbook Pro and have been using it for ~1 week. Even compared to my previous 2019 Macbook Pro, it's a huge step up in build quality and speed. If you spend any time waiting for code to compile, web pages to load, or dependencies install, I'd say buy the fastest laptop you can find. I'd guess this new machine has already saved me around 20 minutes of waiting. At that rate it will pay for itself in…

The high quality screen is so important. Every time I go looking for cheap laptops, it's the screen that steers me towards higher prices.

Re: I stopped buying new laptops (2020)

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post #70

I got tired of laptops being: non-upgradable, poorly designed, overheating, having cheap components, cheap materials, so I'm switching to a backpackable mini-ITX build. For a journalist, even a first gen iPad should do the trick, but for quick compilation and development in general with all those heavy apps and daemons even a relatively fresh laptop CPU just doesn't keep up. The only two downsides are: no battery, sp…

There are also dedicated backpack PCs that are designed to run in the backpack, usually for virtual reality. I think those are super expensive though... (search "VR backpack")

Also they probably take up the whole backpack instead of being "backpackable". And they might be built like laptops (proprietary form factor, mobile/ultrabook CPU, etc.) depending on the model.

Re: I stopped buying new laptops (2020)

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post #54

I often buy a ~one generation old phone for this same reason. It's just so much better value to buy someone else's phone. The folks who keep buying the newest generation tech often seem to take really good care of their gear - perhaps because they plan to resell it later. I haven't done this as much with laptops because I do tend to keep those for such a long time that I can reasonably amortize a bigger investment ov…

But the biggest reason (for me) to replace phone is to get security updates; buying used is counter-productive to that end

I think that is more of an issue with the manufacturer.

Apple supports their phones for a very long time. They updated iOS 12 this year with security fixes, so that covers iPhone 6 and up.

https://www.macworld.com/article/675021/how-long-does-apple-...

Re: I stopped buying new laptops (2020)

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post #98

“Laptops don’t change” Really? because a few years ago battery life was maybe 7 hours and now it’s 18. And with faster processors, thunderbolt 4 and USB C charging, wifi 6, better screens and lighter. I keep hearing this argument for not buying a new laptop every year and it just doesn’t hold water. I say buy the latest MacBook, expense it, factor it in as a monthly cost. These are expendable and essential tools. The…

So you buy a new laptop every year? What do you do with your old one? Throw it away? Or sell it? If you're selling it who do you think is buying it? You do realise most people don't need the fastest processor, an 18 hour battery life, thunderbolt 4 or WiFi 6 And better screens and lighter weight are relative. If I upgrade my 10 year old laptop to a 5 year old laptop I'm still realising those gains. Next year a better…

Well in 5 years I expect most dev work will be done in VR collaboratively with remote teams, w multiple virtual screens and AI assistance. Another world. Laptops and cell phones will be gathering dust with the desktops. Things change fast. Remember the world without the iPhone? That was 16 years ago. So when you talk about using a 5 year old laptop to save a few dollars it just doesn’t make sense. You can listen to music on a CD player, sounds great, doesn’t make sense. Using a heavy hot i7 MBP w 6 hours battery life from 2017 also doesn’t make sense, to save what $1200 rather than buying a 15 inch MBA. Not today - this machine is your everything. Spend some money already

Re: I stopped buying new laptops (2020)

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post #83

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> a few years ago battery life was maybe 7 hours and now it’s 18 At what point do battery improvements become completely unnecessary? Who's out here using their laptops for 18 hours continuously? It's like an electric car that can go 2,000 miles on a single charge; YAGNI. The vast majority of people would be perfectly well-served by a smaller, lighter, less expensive laptop that cuts down the battery to just 10 hours…

18 hours advertised is usually running a locally stored video file on loop at medium to low screen brightness and some light web browsing. My 18-hour laptop is more like 8-10 hours of real work usage, which is still fantastic compared to the 2-3 hours I would get at similar tasks 6-7 years ago. Another big change is improvements to sleep and standby time. I can use half the battery, close the lid, and be reasonably c…

> My 18-hour laptop is more like 8-10 hours of real work usage,

Ans in which context do you find yourself needing to be even 8 hours in a row on your computer without being close to a power plug? You can even charge your computer in planes now!

Re: I stopped buying new laptops (2020)

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post #70

I got tired of laptops being: non-upgradable, poorly designed, overheating, having cheap components, cheap materials, so I'm switching to a backpackable mini-ITX build. For a journalist, even a first gen iPad should do the trick, but for quick compilation and development in general with all those heavy apps and daemons even a relatively fresh laptop CPU just doesn't keep up. The only two downsides are: no battery, sp…

> the only two downsides are: no battery, space

And not being able to use it on the couch, on the toilet, outdoors in your backyard, on a plane, on a train and so on.

Re: I stopped buying new laptops (2020)

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18 hours advertised is usually running a locally stored video file on loop at medium to low screen brightness and some light web browsing. My 18-hour laptop is more like 8-10 hours of real work usage, which is still fantastic compared to the 2-3 hours I would get at similar tasks 6-7 years ago. Another big change is improvements to sleep and standby time. I can use half the battery, close the lid, and be reasonably c…

I want my EV to last a month on a single charge and yet some people are arguing against battery improvements. Crazy.

I'm pretty sure you're not ready to pay a premium for that.

Re: I stopped buying new laptops (2020)

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post #139

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So… you can do more, faster, for longer, then? Sounds like a good argument for upgrading

The article author is a journalist, I bet his speed depends on his speed of typing and not the speed of his laptop. He could to more, faster and longer but if he doesn't the extra costs are useless.

I suspect the next big laptop update I have will be whatever lets me run GPT-4 size models natively.
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