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Raytheon asks retirees for help making new Stinger anti-air missiles

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I think the US is a bit idiosyncratic in that it uses trucks more than most other countries. The saying amongst teamsters/truckers (often attributed to Jimmy Hoffa) would be, "if you got it, a truck brought it". We also use rail for a lot of heavy goods. Another weird quirk of the US is that the constitution should probably allow private ownership of such weapons according to modern interpretation.

Re: Raytheon asks retirees for help making new Stinger anti-air missiles

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My father did the radar guidance system for the Harpoon and Tomahawk missiles - for Raytheon. Yes, they're having problems with getting cleared people. It isn't the top-paying gig it used to be.

One of the interesting quirks of living in America is how expensive everything is while seemingly paying little to the workers who provide it.

? Americans have more disposable income than Europeans.

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Yeah, most people nowadays spend their time and energy on making serving html websites more and more complex. Complex missile systems? That's nothing compared to my vm running kube, running docker, running nextjs react emulating x86 and running kube again. Layers of more software surrounding software is the next big thing. Also microservices and LLMs.

You know, I always thought a lot of the abstractions we add were just pure resume-driven nonsense too, but I guess it is better than having engineering minded people think up better ways to liquify other humans.

It's easy to complain about all those incredibly talented people selling ads, but it's also important to remember that it could be much worse.

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As I've written in a similar post, this attitude is a bit baffling. In IT we say, a backup ain't a backup until regularly validated to work, and most IT insurances/policies require regular testing for backups. I'd expect the same standard for anything military/involving national security, alone for the fact that should war come, there will be a need to rapidly expand production, to rope in everyone able and willing -…

Sure, now imagine the backup system was discontinued twenty years ago and not tested since then.

Yup, and that is what should never have been allowed to happen in the first place. I can understand it for some backwater country struggling to feed its citizens, but NATO members? The United States? Come on that's ridiculous.

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The difference is training. Scores of operators on the ground are already trained and experienced on the Stinger platform and the development of complete already. Backfilling a proven stock item is faster than infilling a new platform. Refer to the training cycles required for tanks provided by the UK. Those tanks have qualified operators ( with matching tactical-operational skills, but there are few personnel to bac…

The US is not actively in a war. Do we not have enough idle personnel who can be trained now so they can handle future uses?

> The US is not actively in a war

There are US soldiers and contractors fighting and dying right now: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases...

Re: Raytheon asks retirees for help making new Stinger anti-air missiles

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I think the issue here is more about finding someone with security clearance (labor shortage) rather than the know how. I would assume a company like Raytheon has all their processes documented and can quickly spin up a new manufacturing line for a legacy product.

“I would assume a company like Raytheon has all their processes documented and can quickly spin up a new manufacturing line for a legacy product.” As someone who has worked in this field, I almost spewed coffee out my nose. Thanks for the chuckles.

Oh c'mon. I worked at RMS in Tucson. We had tons of this. Hell, in one lab we found test procedures for the Phoenix missile for our HWIL, which hasn't had a Phoenix in there for decades.

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You could fly $300 drones around an airport and that would pose a significant enough safety hazard that would likely shutdown all traffic. Or shine those high powered laser pointers at the planes. Disrupting society is remarkably easy if you draw outside the lines.

Remarkably easy - but at the price of facing full wrath in return and destroying your life.

It's not as if the other option will get you a slap on the wrist.

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Did you just make that up or do you have supporting evidence?

Like most hacker news it is are chair opinions presented as facts.

The man gave his informed opinion and assumption. He did not present it as fact. Take it for what it's worth, and don't project anything onto it that's not there.

Re: Raytheon asks retirees for help making new Stinger anti-air missiles

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I think the issue here is more about finding someone with security clearance (labor shortage) rather than the know how. I would assume a company like Raytheon has all their processes documented and can quickly spin up a new manufacturing line for a legacy product.

> has all their processes documented

Even if this is true, a map is not the terrain, and there’s no substitute for experience.

Re: Raytheon asks retirees for help making new Stinger anti-air missiles

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Yeah, most people nowadays spend their time and energy on making serving html websites more and more complex. Complex missile systems? That's nothing compared to my vm running kube, running docker, running nextjs react emulating x86 and running kube again. Layers of more software surrounding software is the next big thing. Also microservices and LLMs.

You know, I always thought a lot of the abstractions we add were just pure resume-driven nonsense too, but I guess it is better than having engineering minded people think up better ways to liquify other humans.

Ironically Liquification is just a deterrent.

Yeah all that brain power is deployed to create technology that is barely used ever. It's just there to scare other people away.

That's the current state of technology right now. On one hand in defense you have people cooking up technology that will never be used.

On the other hand you have the entire IT industry cooking up technology to make simple things 1000000x more complex.

It's like humanity has run out of shit to do and the money is being directed towards useless busy work.

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