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Customers don't want chat bots

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Re: Customers don't want chat bots

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, absolutely. In the Wells Fargo case, thousands of dollars were on the line, so it was absolutely worth the couple hundred dollars for the lawyer. But if I had been disputing a $50 overdraft fee or something like that, I'm not sure what I would have done. (I might contact the CFPB these days, but I think this incident was before they existed.)

The CFPB is completely useless. I've never received a worthwhile response to any complaint I submitted through them, out of the ten or so complaints I've submitted to them in the last ~decade. They simply forward your complaint to the same barely-literate customer "service" department that created the problem in the first place, so that someone who doesn't understand the problem can cut-and-paste their original respo…

> I also once tried cutting-and-pasting several paragraphs of hard-core gay erotic Star Trek fan-fiction

Ballsy move

Re: Customers don't want chat bots

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Typically I call customer service because I'm trying to tackle a problem that cannot be solved by using their normal interface. There is usually some subtlety or exception that requires an agent capable of understanding them at the other end, otherwise I wouldn't have bothered calling. Chatbots almost by definition cannot deal with that, at least I've never experienced one ever. And I imagine that if they can underst…

So I work in customer service for tech company, I see the tickets and about 60% of them can be solved with a chatbot. Most of the time the instructions were already written on the customers screen and they just didn't bother to read them. I agree, calling up and getting a bot is irritating, but personally fielding every call without screening out the silly PEBCAC tickets gets expensive quick and hold-times pay the pr…

> and they just didn't bother to read them

I would encourage you to reconsider this sentiment, and to read "The Design of Everyday Things".

Sometimes you really do have a situation where the user needs to read and they just don't. But that's less common than them "not reading" because:

* The relevant information is buried in what appears to be bumph that we all sensibly skip over.

* The instructions are actually not clear.

* The user reasonably didn't expect that instructions would even be required so they didn't look for them.

* There was a more obvious action to take on the page than reading text, e.g. "Continue".

Those people making tickets can read. The fact that they aren't suggests there's something wrong with the instructions or how you are presenting them - or more likely, the fact that they exist at all.

If you have any specific examples I'd be interested.

Re: Customers don't want chat bots

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I dont want useless customer support. Wether that's a human or a bot. It's extremely frustrating to have a real issue, take for instance a plane cancelled or delayed when travelling with kids, and not being able to talk to a real person who can actually help. Let alone having to wait 30-60 minutes to get a hold of someone. Nowadays most large organisations are structured now that it's impossible to have a conversatio…

> Nowadays most large organisations are structured now that it's impossible to have a conversation with a human who actually has the power to make a decision. In my experience it's equally impossible to have a conversation with a human that has a 1st grade level set of communication skills. You write out a detailed account of your problem and then get some copy/paste response back that has nothing to do with your com…

That has a lot more to do with the requirements laid out by their management than their communication skills. They stick to the script because they take performance hits if they don't, not because they don't know how to talk to a human.

Re: Customers don't want chat bots

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Most customers don't want to pay for good customer support.

This answers the question of the article. What customers want is offloading responsibility without paying for it. There are many concierge level services at the premium end. Chatbots are an attempt at offering this type of luxury to the masses. And it may succeed.

Re: Customers don't want chat bots

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In my experience they're useless because they're trained / limited to the FAQ and website you've already read to try to resolve your issue. The same with calling a helpline. Yes, I'm aware I can check your website for common questions. I'm calling you and need to speak to a human because the answer isn't there .

Please just understand you are part of the The overwhelming majority of people are calling in about something in the FAQ because they can't be arsed to do their own search. The first layer of support at larger companies is usually restricted by their software from sending you anything but a pre-written response, just because you're such a rarity.

> Please just understand you are part of the I understand this, but it changes nothing. Bad customer service is bad customer service.

Re: Customers don't want chat bots

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I think the calculus of a company deciding on an imperfect automation (such as self-checkout) is that it either won't prevent a purchase. in the case of chatbots, the purchase already happened, hiring a person to do this is just overhead.

> in the case of chatbots, the purchase already happened, hiring a person to do this is just overhead.

But poor customer service may be costing the company future business. Not to mention just increasing the odds that people will hate the company and start badmouthing it to others.

Re: Customers don't want chat bots

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There must be a usecase here, allowing telephony and chatbot to filter unknown numbers. My regular contacts? Straight to human. An unknown number? Suspicious chatbot verifying who they are.

Why would you need a chatbot for this? When I get an unknown caller, they get my voicemail where they can tell me who they are, what they want, and how I can call them back.

Re: Customers don't want chat bots

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Honestly, I've heard that for a regular user chat bots are amazing. Tech people are just bunch of nerds who are used to going through documentation. For a regular grandma it's so much easiser to just write like she's used to.

This is an underrated comment. The overwhelming majority (like 98% or more) of support requests are from people who have not read the documentation and are asking about something that is well-covered within it. Chat bots can't (currently) eliminate the agents who exercise critical thought and report bugs, but for any company large enough to outsource "tier one" support to a call center overseas, the chat bot would ac…

> for any company large enough to outsource "tier one" support to a call center overseas, the chat bot would actually be a big improvement.

More likely, a lateral move rather than a big improvement. But you're right -- companies that outsource the support to crappy call centers are companies that barely have customer support at all.

Re: Customers don't want chat bots

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I don't think this article is correct - it's not right to say that customers don't want chatbots, it that customers don't want the chatbots of today.

> Instead, the reason people go to customer service is because of a question that’s so specific, or complicated, or gnarly in some respect, that there’s no way the app will have the answer: you need a human.

This is the thrust of the whole thing, and the problem it's not looking quite deep enough at what people want. People don't want a human - people want their problem solved.

A human is probably the best way to do that, but realistically, if you consider the role of a human in these situations, it's as an interface between the customer and an internal system. The human translates natural language into a series of actions in some computer program (or maybe multiple programs and also communication with other humans).

This is something that LLMs will inevitably be better than humans at. I just called my new health insurance company to get my member number. I spoke to a woman who first had to open up my account and spend some time looking at information. An LLM will do this instantly, and the aggregate time savings of this across all customer service calls will be enormous. That's on top of the fact that no one will wait on hold because all agents are busy.

She eventually realized she had to transfer me to another department. She gave me the direct phone number for that department then transferred me. Except instead of transferring me, she dropped the call. Then I called the direct number she gave me, and it was the department for cancer and complex medical claims. We've all had experiences like this.

Humans are not anywhere near perfect at this job. LLMs may not ever be perfect either, but they'll be better. A human at a call center either needs to be trained, which is costly and time consuming, or they need to be given rote instructions for all possible tasks. Neither of these make them particularly well-equipped for questions "so specific, or complicated, or gnarly."

Obviously this won't all happen overnight, but it's not tough to imagine that cases like Wendy's replacing their drive thru employees with chatbots can be successful in the immediate future. A Wendy's employee in that role just hears natural language and translates it to a series of button presses on a screen representing a very much finite number of possibilities. This is well within the capabilities of GPT-4. I think we'll see this more and more often for low-level customer service, with the chatbot passing the user off to a human for more complex things. The chatbot will move further and further up the stack of complexity until it's doing everything.

Re: Customers don't want chat bots

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have my condolences. My brother and I ended up hiring a lawyer to handle our dad's estate, and I'd recommend it to anyone. She did things like send the hospital a letter that said in essence "give me a single bill with a total for all services provided at your hospital. If it's not on this bill I'm not going to pay it." (Although legal fees for estates are capped here in Ohio, not sure if that's true where you ar…

> She did things like send the hospital a letter that said in essence "give me a single bill with a total for all services provided at your hospital. If it's not on this bill I'm not going to pay it." That is a great thing to say, but does it actually hold any weight? Or is it like the construction trucks that have signs saying they are not responsible for damage from items blown off them?

The "weight" in the situation is good ol' fashioned incentive. The patient in question is dead, and the estate attorney is wrapping up business. After a certain date, there won't be an entity to collect from. Relatives of the deceased are not liable for medical debts (that doesn't mean the medical provider won't try to collect it from relatives, though).

So the medical provider faces two distinct choices:

A.) Get their act together and get paid a guaranteed sum from an estate that has been established by a professional entity

B.) Hem and haw, miss the boat, and try to collect from an estate that's run dry because the money has been dispersed to relatives and/or try to goad relatives into paying. Sometimes, those relatives don't exist.

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