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ChatGPT loses users for first time, shaking faith in AI revolution

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Re: ChatGPT loses users for first time, shaking faith in AI revolution

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Most people don’t know this but OpenAI is actually very dysfunctional company and only accidentally successfully because of just handful of right people having a rather lucky hunch (Schulman, Redcliff et al). However, execution wise they are really really poor. You can see this i myriad of problems such as their dataset is still stuck in 2022, plugins was a complete disaster, web browser mode sucks, app is poor, unable to release 32k and multimodal, rate limit even for paid users etc etc.

All thesis problems are now even more aggravated by their recent massive hiring spree of AI doomer crowd and Yudkowsky’s cult members instead of actually doing real research. Now the company is full of doomers whose sole job is to slow things down and be barrier to efforts. Meanwhile Bard has been making amazing progress. It’s free, doesn’t log you off all the time, it always feel latest and very close - if not better than current limited ChatGPT. Given OpenAI’s new staffing composition, they are unlikely to be leader down the road, especially when Gemini comes out. This is unfortunately sama’s second failed execution. He should probably just focus on investments.

Re: ChatGPT loses users for first time, shaking faith in AI revolution

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Given that ChatGPT was just released last fall and it was expected to revolutionize practically everything, isn't it still telling that usage is falling? Where are the scientists, lawyers, doctors, office workers etc? You'd expect a slowing in the rate of growth, not shrinking. I don't know, if high school and undergrad students being off for the summer is enough to shrink your app maybe it's not all that? Edit: I un…

I see people using ChatGPT, Bard, etc. to answer questions on mailing list threads. It'll be a long thread of thoughtful human written responses, and then someone will come along and say "I asked Bard what it thought about this issue, here's the response". And then out comes five paragraphs of text that I might as well not even bother reading, as it often contains falsehoods that I have to waste time looking up and d…

As a fiction author, I don’t feel gpt writes good fiction at all. It’s a non-fiction tool, just one that lies to you constantly. Half of what it says is a lie…

Re: ChatGPT loses users for first time, shaking faith in AI revolution

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post #128

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While Francois Chollet is not actually an employee of OpenAI, and while that article simply quotes a tweet he made rather than a substantive interview .. .. this is still clearly a big problem for OpenAI as students trying to cheat on exams is a highly profitable $1T industry that Microsoft badly needs to disrupt.

> $1T industry Does that mean $1 trillion? If so, citation badly needed.

sarcasm but there was once a time Chegg shareholders probably thought the market was that big

https://www.forbes.com/sites/susanadams/2021/01/28/this-12-b...

Re: ChatGPT loses users for first time, shaking faith in AI revolution

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post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> $1T industry Does that mean $1 trillion? If so, citation badly needed.

sarcasm but there was once a time Chegg shareholders probably thought the market was that big https://www.forbes.com/sites/susanadams/2021/01/28/this-12-b...

D’oh! Funny as hell once I get the joke!

Re: ChatGPT loses users for first time, shaking faith in AI revolution

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post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> $1T industry Does that mean $1 trillion? If so, citation badly needed.

Surely that's sarcasm. Students don't have money to pay for anything.

Dopey me, should’ve caught that

Re: ChatGPT loses users for first time, shaking faith in AI revolution

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given that ChatGPT was just released last fall and it was expected to revolutionize practically everything, isn't it still telling that usage is falling? Where are the scientists, lawyers, doctors, office workers etc? You'd expect a slowing in the rate of growth, not shrinking. I don't know, if high school and undergrad students being off for the summer is enough to shrink your app maybe it's not all that? Edit: I un…

I see people using ChatGPT, Bard, etc. to answer questions on mailing list threads. It'll be a long thread of thoughtful human written responses, and then someone will come along and say "I asked Bard what it thought about this issue, here's the response". And then out comes five paragraphs of text that I might as well not even bother reading, as it often contains falsehoods that I have to waste time looking up and d…

Why do people use bard, like genuinely, it just gives way worse responses than bing esp on creative mode, the only good thing bard has going for it is that the frontend programmers knew what they were doing and it doesn't auto scroll up when it types.

Re: ChatGPT loses users for first time, shaking faith in AI revolution

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As anecdote, I just cancelled my subscription to ChatGPT a few days ago. It was fun to experiment with, but it’s obvious that 90% of their development effort has been going into censoring their models instead of improving their utility. I saw no tangible improvements over months. For example, the web browsing extension was released completely broken and then… remained broken. Meanwhile Phind.com has been doing web br…

I got fed up with Midjourney making me feel like I'm a pervert, so discontinued my subscription.

Re: ChatGPT loses users for first time, shaking faith in AI revolution

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If ChatGPT will provided more free-tier for GPT4, it's pretty sure that the numbers will go up. At least from a software engineer point of view, the code provided by GPT3.5 is no match against GPT4

just use phone.com it's gpt4 with search and some magic sauce that sometimes runs 3 or 4 retrospections to get a better result.

you mean phind.com* ?

Re: ChatGPT loses users for first time, shaking faith in AI revolution

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post #257

As anecdote, I just cancelled my subscription to ChatGPT a few days ago. It was fun to experiment with, but it’s obvious that 90% of their development effort has been going into censoring their models instead of improving their utility. I saw no tangible improvements over months. For example, the web browsing extension was released completely broken and then… remained broken. Meanwhile Phind.com has been doing web br…

I got fed up with Midjourney making me feel like I'm a pervert, so discontinued my subscription.

MJ’s problem for me at least is that it is incapable of generating unaesthetic things. I gave it the classic list of negative prompts (blurry, grainy, deformed hands, etc.) and got a pretty image back, so I cancelled and switched to Microsoft’s DALL-E, which better spans the full range of creativity.

RLHF is a scourge.

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