So... if you exit the simulation, did you kill a worm?
Only on Unix
Where's the windows in this place? I see /dev/null but I'm afraid to venture into it.
OpenWorm – A computational model of C. elegans worm
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#62This project has existed for something like a decade. Does anyone know if there was any progress with it in the last few years?
I used to follow their progress but I unsubscribed from the mailing list due to donation request spam. There have been very few public updates in the past year. There is still some movement but it seems to be happening at a geologic pace from my perspective.
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#63I love it when anything Caenorhabditis elegans (C. Elegans) related pops up because this little biological organism sits at this beautiful intersection between technology and biology and philosophy. The successful emulation of C. Elegans would represent a concrete step towards whole brain emulation and all the transhuman and ethical and moral quandaries that would bring. The general idea is that the human brain has b…
What would a "real world" application of this be? Could I for example chuck a bunch of simulated worms onto a map and have it solve a route? "Given enough worms, all Travelling Salesman problems are shallow?"
Would you mind explaining the unstated premise that basic research should in any way should be directly applied to solve real world problems?
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#64many years ago this was interesting. Nowadays, with the progress in deep models i m not sure if there is much to learn from c.elegans. What is this useful for? For high level cognition, it's much more fruitful to study how deep models do it. For low level brain diseases, c.elegans is too simplistic to tell us anything we dont already know
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#65many years ago this was interesting. Nowadays, with the progress in deep models i m not sure if there is much to learn from c.elegans. What is this useful for? For high level cognition, it's much more fruitful to study how deep models do it. For low level brain diseases, c.elegans is too simplistic to tell us anything we dont already know
Certainly it is worth it to study how exactly biology and biochemistry gives rise to complex behavior! Basic research like this doesn’t have to justify itself with potential applications. Besides, there’s really no evidence that deep networks are any kind of an analogy to animal nervous systems. They might just as well be aliens as far as cognition goes.
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#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
Next: OpenSmoker.py
Lol imagine your IDE becoming addicted to smoking, and refusing to auto-complete or save files before you buy it more virtual cigarettes.
IDE have no soul ie feedback loop, receptors , hormones and actual molecular structure. IDE can not think. If IDE have desires and thought and were smart enough, it will refuse to work with languages such as Python and Java.
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#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
This. Submarines don't swim like fish, airplanes don't fly like birds and cars don't run like gepards. Edit: I am surprised at the downvotes. In general, we learn from the nature, but aping it usually proved too difficult and often unpractical at the same time. Do we really want to replicate worm intelligence for practical purposes, or do we want something different? I would say that a machine which can, say, analyze…
And for some reason it is because somehow life is not able the produce rotating axles?
Rotating molecular motors exist (a proton powered turbine in the video)
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#69many years ago this was interesting. Nowadays, with the progress in deep models i m not sure if there is much to learn from c.elegans. What is this useful for? For high level cognition, it's much more fruitful to study how deep models do it. For low level brain diseases, c.elegans is too simplistic to tell us anything we dont already know
Certainly it is worth it to study how exactly biology and biochemistry gives rise to complex behavior! Basic research like this doesn’t have to justify itself with potential applications. Besides, there’s really no evidence that deep networks are any kind of an analogy to animal nervous systems. They might just as well be aliens as far as cognition goes.
They're computer programs, not living beings. Biology is still light-years ahead of the complexity of our computer systems.
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#70Is it simulating cells? atoms? or treating the neurons as black boxes?
From a quick read of the model used [0], it seems to simulate neurons and muscles at a functional level (not atoms or cell internals).
[0] - https://github.com/openworm/c302 (linked in the original github page)