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Re: Red flags in the Threads privacy policy

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Don't jump to conclusions. They're likely not launching in EU because EU requires user data be stored in EU, and their current launch stack is hosted elsewhere, look at this datacenter map of Meta: https://datacenters.atmeta.com/ They're mostly in the US, and most outside the EU. Given the record timeline from concept to launch for this app, it's normal they can't whip up a datacenter from nothing overnight.

Maybe it's because I grew up on IRC and ICQ, but I just cannot imagine an asynchronous text-based social network to require a full datacenter of the same scale as their video and ad-track platforms. I kinda assume that Meta could do this if they wanted. Their Instagram and Facebook comments are legal and available in the EU no problem.

Well, let's be fair to the task at hand:

- Yes Instagram and Facebook are legal and available in EU (as I noted), but there's one data center in Ireland and one in Denmark as far as I see, and given the massive influx of users to Threads, they probably have no extra capacity on these two datacenters to cover all of EU with a new app, not right now at least. Compare with SEVENTEEN datacenters in the US.

- "Full datacenter" doesn't mean much. When we say "a datacenter" it doesn't mean a building of specific size and capacity. They likely collocate some servers in other people's data centers (in fact many of those are like that).

- IRC and ICQ still require a network of servers. IRC is a protocol that barely changes so you don't need as much centralization as with a product of rapid iteration and innovation as modern social networks. But you still must be quite familiar with IRC splits and lag, which comes with such architecture. If a social network broke as often as IRC did, people would simply not use it, modern audience have higher expectations. Resilience requires redundancy and more resource-intensive architectures.

- Modern social networks have way more people on, than IRC ever did. At the peak of IRC use, around 2004-2005 all networks, all servers, total, had about 10 million users. Today they're just about 350k. Compare with Threads, which gained 30 million+ users in ONE DAY. More users mean you need more servers and beefier servers, and more serious architecture (as things don't scale linearly by magic beyond a threshold).

- IRC has no content to host at all. How'd you publish a photo to the world on IRC? You can't. Or even text? I guess everyone has to be in the channel, or know where to find some logs? ICQ is also mostly peer to peer. If you lose your copy of the chat logs, that's it. At least how it was in the 90s when it was popular and I used it (I hear it's still popular in Russia or something? Dunno). So you can't compare social media with a peer-to-peer ephemeral messaging protocol. The peer-to-peer messaging protocol is a tiny part of what Twitter and Threads do.

- I haven't even mentioned algorithmic timelines and the like, which make the task even more complicated, nothing like IRC.

And then to pay for all these costs of hosting and algorithmic distribution, backup and so on, you need to collect said user data, profile ads, run the ad network UI and so on. That also adds to the cost and resource use of running this service.

We can probably discuss "is all this needed, can't we go back to something like IRC"? And I think about this a lot. The modern social media design is not the best way to do it, it's not the final way. But Meta wanted to clone Twitter, not IRC, and this comes with the cost & system requirements of running something like Twitter.

Re: Red flags in the Threads privacy policy

#142

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Don’t collect information and you know you’re not violating it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Seriously though, GDPR compliance isn’t that hard. You just have to get out of the habit of collecting everything.

> Seriously though, GDPR compliance isn’t that hard Unless compiling data on your users and selling it is your entire business plan. One of the issue I see it that many companies have been lured into this impression that they need to track everything, in great detail, but it doesn't actually provide that much value. I blame the snake oil sales people in the advertising/remarketing/up-selling/cross-selling business.

This is correct. So many websites don’t actually need to collect any user data. It’s just a distraction, slows down and bloats their site and worsens UX.

I recommend to simply get rid of any tracking. If you want user feedback, ask them or do tests. It’s cheaper and more effective.

Re: Red flags in the Threads privacy policy

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I'm wondering something here, and I humbly ask for feedback: to anyone hyped about Threads, why?

Has Meta ever displayed any particular quality regarding content moderation, freedom of speech, privacy, information control, transparency, or mental health? Not implying Twitter is any better, Musk Tweeted, "It is infinitely preferable to be attacked by strangers on Twitter, than to indulge in the false happiness of hide-the-pain Instagram"

What a sad state of affairs when a form of abuse somehow becomes "infinitely preferable" to another; maybe I'm being overly sensitive, or has the social media bubble fallen into pure insanity?

Re: Red flags in the Threads privacy policy

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If your problem is with the ownership of Twitter, I don’t understand why you would run from the arms of one wannabe cage-fighter into another’s. If your problem is with ethics, FB isn’t a beacon of good behavior. If your problem is getting rate-limited or losing your blue checkmark, I guess go wild, but you probably already loved Twitter too much to leave.

No my problem with Twitter is that the quality of the discourse is poor and getting worse every day. Which is a direct result of Musk deciding to prioritise blue check comments over others. If you're having to pay to have people listen to you then that means you typically don't have something worth saying. And we see this manifest in many ways e.g. pages of laughing emojis in response to a tweet.

For me, Twitter’s utility is that of a notification hub of people and orgs that interest me. Plus some gossip here or there.

The problem is that there’s so much noise that it fails at that. So I end up not using it when I don’t already know something is going on.

Re: Red flags in the Threads privacy policy

#146

I'm wondering something here, and I humbly ask for feedback: to anyone hyped about Threads, why? Has Meta ever displayed any particular quality regarding content moderation, freedom of speech, privacy, information control, transparency, or mental health? Not implying Twitter is any better, Musk Tweeted, "It is infinitely preferable to be attacked by strangers on Twitter, than to indulge in the false happiness of hide…

it's pretty crap. it's just new for people.

Re: Red flags in the Threads privacy policy

#147

Tbh if you are concerned about the privacy and ethics concerns here the biggest red flag is in the subtitle: Meta's Twitter rival launched in over 100 countries today—but not in the EU Anything more is simply detail - if a major launch of this sort of service omits the EU we immediately know exactly why.

"They trust me. Dumb fucks."

any of us could've written something like that when young

Re: Red flags in the Threads privacy policy

#148

If your problem is with the ownership of Twitter, I don’t understand why you would run from the arms of one wannabe cage-fighter into another’s. If your problem is with ethics, FB isn’t a beacon of good behavior. If your problem is getting rate-limited or losing your blue checkmark, I guess go wild, but you probably already loved Twitter too much to leave.

is twitter going to embrace activitypub or not

Re: Red flags in the Threads privacy policy

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But we don’t need Twitter for that do we? We have 4chan, parts of the fediverse and so on for unfiltered. Threads is for mainstream. I don’t see that as bad. As someone who was a moderator, sometimes you want that sandwich and not Joe Schmoe stupid verbal trash he thought less than 3 seconds about.

I want to be able to read (former UN weapons nspector) Scott Ritter on twitter. A man with a huge amount of experience and someone who is able to give very informed commentary. On pre-Musk twitter I couldn't read him, now I can. And I could give quite a number of similar examples.

Hey thanks for your comment and other perspective!

How couldn’t you read him before the overtake? What’s the difference?

Could this inspector join Threads and would you follow him there?

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