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Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

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Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

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AFAIK, Bending Spoons is a company that successfully launched a couple of mobile apps and they know how to make a living out of it.

According to an engineer who works for them and who I know, it’s a very demanding and stressing environment to work in. Probably they simply plan to throw more work at their existing employees.

The plan was to buy Evernote and make it profitable. It wouldn’t surprise me if they kill the project if it turns out not to be profitable.

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I think you’re both right because the original poster left out competition. It’s one thing to take free back, it’s another thing to do it when people can easily replace your product without paying. Dropbox doesn’t have a competitor that is free to use. At least as far as I know. You can get your disk space in a lot of ways, some bundled with other products you may use making it appear “free” but even if you host your…

> Dropbox doesn’t have a competitor that is free to use Google drive?

How is Google drive more free to use than Dropbox? As soon as you need any sort of storage it’ll cost you money.

You can also get some free MBs from Microsoft, Proton and so on, and, Dropbox also has a free tier.

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Ex post facto laws should be prohibited in any civilized country.

Crime against humanity didn't even exist as a concept (let alone a law) before Nuremberg, do you think the condamnation of the nazis there as “uncivilized”?

The retroactive criminalisation at Nuremberg absolutely was controversial at the time. It only got pushed through because of US instance. It is literally an example of might making right.

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Crime against humanity didn't even exist as a concept (let alone a law) before Nuremberg, do you think the condamnation of the nazis there as “uncivilized”?

Seems like an extreme counter example. In the spirit of the parent post I guess you could argue theft, murder etc. was already illegal? Also, it is morally different when you want to punish lawmakers.

> Seems like an extreme counter example.

It is voluntarily ridiculously extreme, because the parent comment was itself ridiculously categorical.

The thing is: most of the time, retro-active laws are dangerous tools that should be used rarely and with caution, but sometimes and when some people have been doing something that they knew was evil even though not technically illegal, it can make sense to punish them with laws designed after the fact.

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In case if you want some Evernote alternatives, here's my shortlist: 1. Trilium Notes: https://github.com/zadam/trilium 2. AppFlowy: https://github.com/AppFlowy-IO/AppFlowy 3. Affine: https://github.com/toeverything/AFFiNE 4. Joplin: https://github.com/laurent22/joplin 5. Dendron: https://github.com/dendronhq/dendron (requires VSCode) As a programmer I liked Dendron the most but if you want it to be packed with absol…

I like and use joplin. Waiting for it to sync sucks (even though it's pretty quick) but I like that you can edit in vim on the desktop and a dedicated app on mobile.

I use it for recipes, where it's easiest to write them on a laptop but better to read them on a phone/tablet.

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I wonder how that 100 year guarantee is holding up? https://longnow.org/ideas/evernote-and-the-100-year-data-gua...

>Evernote CEO Phil Libin announced at the recent Le Web London conference that the company will soon set up a protected fund and include a legally binding guaratee that users’ data will be maintained for 100 years That almost sounds like a threat to commit a crime in certain jurisdictions. A lot has changed regarding how we talk about data in the last decade.

> legally binding guaratee that users’ data will be maintained for 100 years That almost sounds like a threat to commit a crime in certain jurisdictions.

It’s (or was) the promise for you to be able to access your data for so long, provided you agree. Not hoarding private data against your will.

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Personal journey: I used to be a heavy user of Evernote, but encountered a bug that the developers were not keen on fixing promptly. It was then that I realized the importance of personal notes surviving beyond companies, apps, and formats. Quickly after, I switched to a collection of plain text files using org-mode markdown and have been happy ever since.

I need to be able to sync my notes though, I use more than one device. I'd like for them to not be lost if a phone or laptop is stolen. Ideally, it'd just sync to webdav and I could use Nextcloud. But I've only ever found a few that did sync with it, and there were always all sorts of weird limitations or bugs in those.

I have a private github repo for this. I don't have a commit discipline for any of this, just using github for storing some MBs of plain text.

Having a log maybe useful some day, though.

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it'll be very good. it won't resolve conflicts for you, though - just like Dropbox or Google Drive also wouldn't. It's last-write-wins, so you either need to keep your devices connected and syncing at all times, or you need to be careful when you edit the same files on different devices. I use Syncthing for all kinds of things and it's excellent, but it's not really a silver for bullet for mutable data like text file…

I have a small vps as one of my syncthing nodes, and every device syncs with that central server in addition to syncing with eachother. This removes the need to keep everything online at the same time as the vps is always online, receiving and propagating changes from any device.

Yeah me too. I love syncthing but prefer using it with an always on 'server' like dropbox rather than just pure p2p.

What I really like about it is that you don't have to sync everything everywhere. I have work folders I sync with just my work machines, and personal ones that go to my personal VPS.

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> Dropbox doesn’t have a competitor that is free to use Google drive?

How is Google drive more free to use than Dropbox? As soon as you need any sort of storage it’ll cost you money. You can also get some free MBs from Microsoft, Proton and so on, and, Dropbox also has a free tier.

Google Drive's yearly cost for 2TB is almost equal to monthly payment for Dropbox for the same capacity.

However, Dropbox have some underrated yet very powerful features like Apps and automations. I buy books from plethora of places, and new versions of the products I have are uploaded automatically. I just receive a notification. Same for some fonts and design assets I have. SendOwl leverages this capability for anyone, easily.

Auto organization, a clunky but reliable native Linux application, LANSync, etc. are all good things to have, and they have solved the syncing problem.

Also, Google Drive is a ticking time bomb, because if you accidentally put a file Google doesn't like, you have the risk to lose all your Google access at the middle of the night.

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>Evernote CEO Phil Libin announced at the recent Le Web London conference that the company will soon set up a protected fund and include a legally binding guaratee that users’ data will be maintained for 100 years That almost sounds like a threat to commit a crime in certain jurisdictions. A lot has changed regarding how we talk about data in the last decade.

In legal terms Evernote is not "data controller" but "data processor". They are not responsible for ensuring conformity with retention rules.

A data processor has no say in how and for how long is the data stored. They implement exactly hat the data controller said, not more, not less. So in this case guaranteeing 100 years is just nonsense. But... in our case it's Evernote itself who gathered all its own data from its own users according to its own rules, so I really struggle to understand why you won't see them as data controllers.
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