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FreeBSD at 30: Its secrets to success

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Re: FreeBSD at 30: Its secrets to success

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Post by Zambyte »

pseudonym0us wrote: post #46
Zambyte wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They literally can be used in closed source software without a word of credit. This is not true of any of the "acceptable licenses" listed by FreeBSD. https://www.freebsd.org/internal/software-license/ See: the clauses saying "must reproduce/retain the above copyright".

>See: the clauses saying "must reproduce/retain the above copyright". Yeah, you will see the copyright if you are working at the company. Outsiders would never know it's a fork.

Read the licenses more closely.

Re: FreeBSD at 30: Its secrets to success

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Post by boomboomsubban »

tiffanyh wrote: post #41
SpaceInvader wrote: post #37

I'm using FreeBSD on my servers non stop for 20 years. It has some quirks, but it's rock solid.

> "but [FreeBSD's] rock solid" Curious to hear your feedback of FreeBSD v5-8. Since many consider those releases (years) very bumpy.

If they started using FreeBSD 20 years ago, 5.x would probably be what they began with.

Re: FreeBSD at 30: Its secrets to success

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Post by wkat4242 »

tiffanyh wrote: post #24

Love FreeBSD but ... Really wish there wasn't a split between FreeBSD & Matt Dillon 20-years ago, since DragonflyBSD is so strong and yet FreeBSD hasn't benefited from it's innovations. They'd truly would be better together than apart. Can only imagine how much stronger the BSD ecosystem would be overall today, if the past 20-years these teams had been together. https://www.dragonflybsd.org Announcement: https://list…

I have to say FreeBSD itself is also totally fine on the desktop. You don't need DragonFly for that. FreeBSD is my daily driver.

Re: FreeBSD at 30: Its secrets to success

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Post by wk_end »

tiffanyh wrote: post #24

Love FreeBSD but ... Really wish there wasn't a split between FreeBSD & Matt Dillon 20-years ago, since DragonflyBSD is so strong and yet FreeBSD hasn't benefited from it's innovations. They'd truly would be better together than apart. Can only imagine how much stronger the BSD ecosystem would be overall today, if the past 20-years these teams had been together. https://www.dragonflybsd.org Announcement: https://list…

Not necessarily in disagreement, but some points to consider:

* The nice thing about free software is that FreeBSD can benefit from Dragonfly's innovations!

* Dragonfly certainly would benefit from FreeBSD's (relatively) large userbase; but it could also be hurt, because FreeBSD's larger userbase would be more demanding of the kind of stability that could slow down innovation.

* ...and, likewise, FreeBSD might suffer if all those innovations harm the OS' reputation for robustness and stability.

Re: FreeBSD at 30: Its secrets to success

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Post by wkat4242 »

qbrass wrote: post #48
DeathArrow wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

macOS is based on FreeBSD.

While it has a bunch of FreeBSD code stuffed into it, it's not actually based on it.

Yeah I hear this statement a lot too but macos is based on nextstep much more than it was on FreeBSD.

Of course nextstep borrowed some userland from FreeBSD and I think this is where the confusion originates. The actual kernel is totally different though.

Re: FreeBSD at 30: Its secrets to success

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Post by wkat4242 »

fluoridation wrote: post #43
Jtsummers wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is anyone actually offended by a mascot based on a joke about "Unix daemon"? Do they just not get the joke or are they really that sensitive? I imagine it's the same sort of person that opposes table top games like Dungeons & Dragons and shares out Chick tracts (often highly offensive and rude, ostensibly Christian, cartoon tracts denouncing Catholics, Jews, and Muslims, in particular, as well as other groups; we had…

Apparently a tiny minority of people are bothered by it. I was looking for information about the logo a few weeks ago and stumbled upon this anecdote: https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-chat/2011-Novemb... >I just got a call from the owner of a hotel for which we provide hotspot service. She says that a guest spotted the "Powered by FreeBSD" logo at the bottom of the login page, and was offended; the guest w…

If you really search for it, you will always find someone offended by anything.

Only a few years ago there was this German guy that bullied VS Code into removing their cutesy Santa hat which doesn't even have any religious context, it's originally a coca cola thing :')

Anyway, having ubiquitous usage is not a goal of FreeBSD. People are free not to use it if they don't feel like it. I guess there's not much overlap in people being offended by penguins and those offended by daemons so I might have another suggestion :P

Re: FreeBSD at 30: Its secrets to success

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Post by chinabot »

glassfish wrote: post #7

I have been using FreeBSD for the last 2 years on a 2015 Intel MacBook Pro, and I have been a long-time Linux user. Things I appreciate about FreeBSD: - init system (with real PIDs). - FreeBSD documentation. - installation experience (fast and hassle-free). - stability, consistency and low memory usage. - DWM / XFCE works great. - ease of configuring PF However, there are some main impediments that prevents me from u…

Agree with the documentation, its rock solid and NOOB friendly. 7 years ago I had to rebuild and restore an embedded server for a client and with no BSD experience at all it took me a few hours and has been working flawlessly since.

Re: FreeBSD at 30: Its secrets to success

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Post by philjohn »

tiffanyh wrote: post #24

Love FreeBSD but ... Really wish there wasn't a split between FreeBSD & Matt Dillon 20-years ago, since DragonflyBSD is so strong and yet FreeBSD hasn't benefited from it's innovations. They'd truly would be better together than apart. Can only imagine how much stronger the BSD ecosystem would be overall today, if the past 20-years these teams had been together. https://www.dragonflybsd.org Announcement: https://list…

That makes me feel old. I was running FreeBSD back when that split happened, I can't believe it's been 20 years.

I think the BSD ecosystem was harmed more by the SCO lawsuit, and the rise of Linux than by the Dragonfly/FreeBSD split.

Re: FreeBSD at 30: Its secrets to success

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Post by loeg »

tw04 wrote: post #49
tiffanyh wrote: post #24

Love FreeBSD but ... Really wish there wasn't a split between FreeBSD & Matt Dillon 20-years ago, since DragonflyBSD is so strong and yet FreeBSD hasn't benefited from it's innovations. They'd truly would be better together than apart. Can only imagine how much stronger the BSD ecosystem would be overall today, if the past 20-years these teams had been together. https://www.dragonflybsd.org Announcement: https://list…

It's been a long time, but IIRC the split was due to direction on SMP. From what I recall, the FreeBSD team made the right call at the time. https://people.freebsd.org/~kris/scaling/dfly.html

It was also a clash of personalities.

Re: FreeBSD at 30: Its secrets to success

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Post by textread »

throw0101c wrote: post #29
textread wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its secret to 'survival' is more appropriate. This article has a lot of fluff. eg: Specifically, companies needing redundancy require more than one operating system, since any single operating system may fall victim to a failure that could take out the entire company’s infrastructure What sort of argument is this. We need multiple political parties. Therefore, our existence is important even if we secure insignifican…

> What sort of argument is this. We need multiple political parties. Therefore, our existence is important even if we secure insignificant votes? Yes, it keeps userland code honest if you follow the published API and not a specific behaviour. See for example the fsync() saga on Linux: * https://lwn.net/Articles/752063/ * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19238121 * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19119991 It'…

Thanks a lot for the lwn article suggestion.

Dave Cutler(Windows NT) too found the DEC support to be a safety test for cleanliness.

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