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Sao Paulo: A city with no outdoor advertisements (2013)

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Re: Sao Paulo: A city with no outdoor advertisements (2013)

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Post by INTPenis »

alganet wrote: post #37

Some additions: Stores also cannot use their full façade for advertising. Branding colors and details are OK, but logos cannot be too large (don't know the exact rule). The law is picky. Some stores cheat by having a glass façade, and using LEDs inside that glass. Like this: https://imgur.com/a/CLdUD1C Since this law was adopted, there's been an increase in full building graffiti, which is not banned. Now 10 years la…

It's kinda interesting that you, a user, had to bring this to our attention. The article linked by OP only focused on the empty spaces left behind by billboards.

Of course art can take the place of billboards, but clearly that's not what this article aims to convey.

Re: Sao Paulo: A city with no outdoor advertisements (2013)

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Post by ziftface »

INTPenis wrote: post #391
alganet wrote: post #37

Some additions: Stores also cannot use their full façade for advertising. Branding colors and details are OK, but logos cannot be too large (don't know the exact rule). The law is picky. Some stores cheat by having a glass façade, and using LEDs inside that glass. Like this: https://imgur.com/a/CLdUD1C Since this law was adopted, there's been an increase in full building graffiti, which is not banned. Now 10 years la…

It's kinda interesting that you, a user, had to bring this to our attention. The article linked by OP only focused on the empty spaces left behind by billboards. Of course art can take the place of billboards, but clearly that's not what this article aims to convey.

That's not the impression I got. Those empty billboards are, from my perspective, preferable to advertisements. The fact that some people took advantage of the space to draw art is a nice bonus, but even without that it's a positive change.

Re: Sao Paulo: A city with no outdoor advertisements (2013)

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Post by tr4vis »

sgt wrote: post #371
virgulino wrote: post #345

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Now four.

How is living in Florianópolis or in southern Brazil? Just out of curiosity. Lifestyle good?

Living in southern Brazil surpasses the rest of the country in terms of quality of life (especially safety) imo. As for living in Floripa, it's a pretty easy-going lifestyle, being that it's a capital that's also a subtropical island. Nightlife isn't as you'd expect compared to bigger cities, but the many beaches, beautiful landscapes and friendly people you meet here definitely make up for it. Honestly, I wouldn't live anywhere else for the time being.

Re: Sao Paulo: A city with no outdoor advertisements (2013)

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Post by soapdog »

robocat wrote: post #182
soapdog wrote: post #147

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As someone who graduated from an art school, let me be another voice here to say that you're absolutely wrong. Art is about intentionality and process. Duchamp and Wahrol are prime mainstream examples of that. The intervention in urban equipment is art. Making it yours, sharing it with the world, the dialectical dialogue between the mural and the surrounding cityscape, there is so much to unpack here. Also, comic boo…

I think your example of Duchamp is incorrect (and I’m an engineer not an arts graduate) Attempting to cast yourself. as knowledgeable and then using Duchamp without understanding his history shows lack of taste IMHO. Duchamp stole his signature artwork from Baroness Elsa von Freytag-Loringhoven: a 1917 letter Duchamp wrote to his sister, Susanne, translated: “One of my female friends who had adopted the masculine pse…

First: I never called myself an expert. I said I was an arts undergrad, there is a difference there.

Second, I never mentioned that urinal. I mentioned two artists that had intentionality and process tied to their work. Duchamp is not just that urinal, please check his other work and the movements he was associated with to learn a bit more about what mechanisms gives the art piece and aura of art. In my opinion, that understanding is quite essential to appreciate certain movements such as Dadaism.

Also, I never mentioned anything about "artists" and stealing.

All I did was name check two very well-known artists whose work is part of a larger artistic revolution, one that precipitated a discussion and a new understanding about "what is art".

I also offered some book references so that instead of accepting my opinion, the OP or anyone else can go read and form their own opinion. Because instead of being an expert, I gave references to the experts.

As usual, gotta trust an engineer to arrive full of opinions and misconceptions about a field that they're clearly not well versed and attempt to put someone down.

Re: Sao Paulo: A city with no outdoor advertisements (2013)

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Post by soapdog »

mcpackieh wrote: post #213
soapdog wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who graduated from an art school, let me be another voice here to say that you're absolutely wrong. Art is about intentionality and process. Duchamp and Wahrol are prime mainstream examples of that. The intervention in urban equipment is art. Making it yours, sharing it with the world, the dialectical dialogue between the mural and the surrounding cityscape, there is so much to unpack here. Also, comic boo…

I don't want a neo-Duchamp putting a port-a-potty in my neighborhood and spitefully calling it art.

Good lord, there is so much more to Duchamp than that urinal. Also, it misses then point of my comment in its entirety. It is about what intention is behind the work, not about the piece themself (a bit more complex than that but that is enough for a small comment).

Re: Sao Paulo: A city with no outdoor advertisements (2013)

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Post by soapdog »

pmoriarty wrote: post #172
soapdog wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who graduated from an art school, let me be another voice here to say that you're absolutely wrong. Art is about intentionality and process. Duchamp and Wahrol are prime mainstream examples of that. The intervention in urban equipment is art. Making it yours, sharing it with the world, the dialectical dialogue between the mural and the surrounding cityscape, there is so much to unpack here. Also, comic boo…

Why does it matter if we call it art or not?

Because many people will refuse to call an art piece art in an effort to dismiss that work as valid. Not calling it art is a form of gatekeeping.

Re: Sao Paulo: A city with no outdoor advertisements (2013)

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Post by Tagbert »

nelsonic wrote: post #377
X6S1x6Okd1st wrote: post #354

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> and not other "news" sources I mean I really enjoyed this piece too, but it's not really news. HN really shouldn't be relied upon as a singular news source. There's plenty of things you should know that aren't the intellect candy that HN promotes

Totally Agree that there are plenty of things most people need to know about that do not surface on HN. But being a time poor parent means I personally don't spend much time reading long form articles anymore and visiting "news" sites full of ads & trackers is just lame as the signal to noise ratio is way off. Visit the BBC News https://www.bbc.com/news once a day to see what's going on in the world. But beyond that…

You might try NPR news site https://www.npr.org/sections/news/

They do have some ads but it is mostly just a right rail ad that is pretty easy to ignore and not as infested as most news sites.

Re: Sao Paulo: A city with no outdoor advertisements (2013)

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Post by Cody_C »

siquick wrote: post #326
Cody_C wrote: post #325

Anytime I hear about outdoor advertising I think of a quote I saw in the book Civilized to Death. A long time ago man saw Times Square and sat in silence. A few people asked him what he thought. He said this would be beautiful if I couldn't read.

How was that book? Looks interesting.

I really liked quite a bit of it. There are some points I wasn't too sure of however, it gives a great counterpoint to the endless conveniences that modern society provides.

I would recommend it, I still run I to thi is that I end up thinking back to the book.

I believe everything people enjoy goes back to something primal. It also shows how far we have come from what we use to live like, both good and bad.

Re: Sao Paulo: A city with no outdoor advertisements (2013)

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Post by Cody_C »

baby wrote: post #334
Cody_C wrote: post #325

Anytime I hear about outdoor advertising I think of a quote I saw in the book Civilized to Death. A long time ago man saw Times Square and sat in silence. A few people asked him what he thought. He said this would be beautiful if I couldn't read.

I went there as a kid from France and it was magical. Remember going to the Coca Cola store and buying a bunch of merch.

There is something special about it. I remember seeing it for the first time and it seemed like a movie set because I had watched so many scenes in so many films that were shot there but, never actually laid eyes on it.
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