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Re: Bottles – Easily run Windows software on Linux

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Post by pareidolia »

actionfromafar wrote: post #13
hnlmorg wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This uses Wine, which isn’t emulation. Also since when were containers more “bloated” than emulation? The whole point of containers is that they don’t need to virtualise the entire stack because they are reusing parts of the host stack.

A rose by another name… that Wine is not an emulator is a good tagline, but it emulates Windows behaviour really well.

It's a runtime environment, like the JRE or Mono CLR. By your logic, the JRE is an emulator because it has a "java virtual machine."

Re: Bottles – Easily run Windows software on Linux

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Post by JohnFen »

pqb wrote: post #173
carlosrg wrote: post #161

GNOME applications look so... mobile. Large controls, large title bars that lack maximize/minimize, simplistic layouts. It might be good for this kind of frontend apps but I can't see software like Krita or KDEnlive being done for GTK4/GNOME as of today (for reference: https://kdenlive.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/271174170_10... )

I like GNOME because of its design choices in 3.x+. I really appreciate the aforementioned large controls, title bars (often integrated as toolbar menus) and resignation of menus in favour of dedicated pop-overs. IMHO it is a step forward in providing simpler UI, but yes - it has some drawbacks too. Ironically, I see the designers of macOS built-in applications (e.g. Finder.app or System Settings.app) are following t…

> I really appreciate the aforementioned large controls, title bars (often integrated as toolbar menus) and resignation of menus in favour of dedicated pop-overs.

Heh, those are all on my list of things I hate about Gnome. Funny how different people can be.

Re: Bottles – Easily run Windows software on Linux

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Post by JohnFen »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #164
carlosrg wrote: post #161

GNOME applications look so... mobile. Large controls, large title bars that lack maximize/minimize, simplistic layouts. It might be good for this kind of frontend apps but I can't see software like Krita or KDEnlive being done for GTK4/GNOME as of today (for reference: https://kdenlive.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/271174170_10... )

16x16 icons used to be large on 640x480 screens. Microscopic controls is not how GUIs were originally intended to look.

I don't care about how they were intended to look, I care about what the best look & feel is for me.

Re: Bottles – Easily run Windows software on Linux

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Post by FireInsight »

catboybotnet wrote: post #176
kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

16x16 icons used to be large on 640x480 screens. Microscopic controls is not how GUIs were originally intended to look.

That may be the case, but microscopic controls are how some of us want our GUIs to look. Using Windows 7 with the classic theme on a 1920x1080 display was near perfection. Even for Aero, I'd have my toolbar set to small icons and CTRL+MW_DOWN on the desktop to shrink my icons. The closest I can get now is to up my display resolution to offset the giant bars that take up more of my screenspace than they need to. Not h…

You can change display scaling to make GNOME small.

Re: Bottles – Easily run Windows software on Linux

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Post by toolz »

andrewmcwatters wrote: post #100
toolz wrote: post #57

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I've been using wine for well over a decade and I was not aware of it. I'm not so confident that your characterization here is accurate. Everyone I know that uses wine just follows some youtube video to get some game working on linux. They don't spend a lot of time learning about the ecosystem.

I guess you’ve been living under a rock then, since CodeWeavers and Valve are two of the largest paracontributors to the Wine ecosystem.

I think you may be misunderstanding me to say that I was unaware that codeweavers existed, but that wasn't the issue. The issue at hand is whether "bottles" ripped that terminology from codeweavers. I have been plenty aware of codeweavers existence, but that doesn't mean I had any reason to believe they were the originators of using "bottles" to mean what it means today. What my previous comment intended to say, was that I had no idea codeweavers coined the term "bottles" and I don't know that it's fair to assume "bottles" assumed it was something exclusive to codeweavers.

Why would anyone assume that was some pseudo-trademark of codeweavers? It's not particularly clever and anyone could come up with it. I would've assumed literally anyone in the wine ecosystem could've come up with it and given codeweavers (nor anyone else) did not file for a trademark then that suggests they don't care that it was "ripped" from them to begin with.

My whole point of view is that there seems to be some assumption of malice or feelings slighted where there's no evidence that codeweavers feels slighted or that bottles was being malicious. I generally think the internet would be a much better place without assumptions of malice.

Re: Bottles – Easily run Windows software on Linux

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Post by nani8ot »

bodge5000 wrote: post #166
nani8ot wrote: post #152

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Yes, the big AC's like EAC, BattleEye and a few others have optional support for proton and is simple to enable. But many other AC's like EA's Ricochet, Vanguard or Faceit AC don't support proton at all.

Yeh see I was thinking of FACEIT because I heard reports that Battlebit (which uses FACEIT) wouldnt work on the steam deck, but checking protondb it seems it runs fine, so I guess there are workarounds. Wouldn't doubt that Ricochet and Vanguard have no support for it at all though

You're right, they talked about adding Faceit AC, but they still need time. Once they actually implement Faceit and and thereby block Steam Deck/proton users. At that point Battlebit simply won't work anymore. (Hopefully Steam'll refund my game or BB will have good community servers.)

Re: Bottles – Easily run Windows software on Linux

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Post by dijit »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #164
carlosrg wrote: post #161

GNOME applications look so... mobile. Large controls, large title bars that lack maximize/minimize, simplistic layouts. It might be good for this kind of frontend apps but I can't see software like Krita or KDEnlive being done for GTK4/GNOME as of today (for reference: https://kdenlive.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/271174170_10... )

16x16 icons used to be large on 640x480 screens. Microscopic controls is not how GUIs were originally intended to look.

Microscopic.. sure, they weren't intended to look microscopic.

But you're painting an inaccurate picture here, GNOME controls are a larger ratio than they've ever been to screen real estate;

For context, this is how it looked on a 640x480 display https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:GNOME-escritorio-1.x...

Re: Bottles – Easily run Windows software on Linux

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Post by smoldesu »

notThrowingAway wrote: post #158
smoldesu wrote: post #122

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I think so, but the solution may be convoluted. Waydroid users can spin up an Android container to run Roblox post-Wine ban: https://youtu.be/E0BLQCEU8ZI

I love how clumsy and all over the place that video is

It's like one of those "edit Windows Registry to get around the library time restrictions" videos from 2009. The fact that I'm seeing these for Linux is a sign that nature is healing, I think.

Re: Bottles – Easily run Windows software on Linux

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Post by smoldesu »

oliverkiss wrote: post #172
carlosrg wrote: post #161

GNOME applications look so... mobile. Large controls, large title bars that lack maximize/minimize, simplistic layouts. It might be good for this kind of frontend apps but I can't see software like Krita or KDEnlive being done for GTK4/GNOME as of today (for reference: https://kdenlive.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/271174170_10... )

A GNOME version of KDEnlive might look similar to Final Cut ( https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/final-cut-pro/ver92bd1... ). GNOME applications are pretty simple and there's no software like Krita and KDEnlive, but I don't think that GNOME HIG is the limitation for that.

There is Pitivi, which is pretty close to old Final Cut: https://www.pitivi.org/

Not a very productive editing experience in my opinion though, definitely still prefer KdenLive or Davinci Resolve.

Re: Bottles – Easily run Windows software on Linux

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Post by bodge5000 »

nani8ot wrote: post #186
bodge5000 wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeh see I was thinking of FACEIT because I heard reports that Battlebit (which uses FACEIT) wouldnt work on the steam deck, but checking protondb it seems it runs fine, so I guess there are workarounds. Wouldn't doubt that Ricochet and Vanguard have no support for it at all though

You're right, they talked about adding Faceit AC, but they still need time. Once they actually implement Faceit and and thereby block Steam Deck/proton users. At that point Battlebit simply won't work anymore. (Hopefully Steam'll refund my game or BB will have good community servers.)

Oh, my assumption was that they either found a way to make FACEIT work with proton or dropped it due to the lack of support. Seems odd that they'd plan to update a game that actively eliminates a section of the playerbase, especially for a multiplayer game from a relatively small studio that relies on having a big enough playerbase for the game to function
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