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Germany Achieves Record 57.7% Renewable Energy Share for First Half of 2023

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Re: Germany Achieves Record 57.7% Renewable Energy Share for First Half of 2023

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Post by ufmace »

malermeister wrote: post #260
jskrablin wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, targeting individual transport with inefficient public transport and bicycles while restarting abandoned coal power plants and abandoning running nuclear power plants is going to work wonderfully indeed.

With individual transport, you move ~2 tons of metal for a payload of one person, a weight/person ratio of 2. With high-speed rail, you move ~400 tons of metal for ~450 people, a ratio of ~0.9. [0] This does not even account for factors such as inherently more efficient transmission from steel to steel vs rubber/concrete and the more efficient electric engines of a modern train compared to the combustion engine. Neit…

How is it a fair comparison to make the automobile have only one person but the rail car completely full? Rail cars are very rarely anywhere near full. Infact, they have to be run nearly empty most of the time in order to have a schedule good enough that enough people to fill the car up are willing to rely on it.

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Post by _ph_ »

anonzzzies wrote: post #7
newyankee wrote: post #3

I think renewable energy disruption is happening faster than many can fathom. A few breakthroughs in storage technology and things might actually turn into optimism from Climate fears in 1 or 2 decades. Hopefully entrenched interests do not let free market disrupt them this time.

If everyone plays ball. That we will need to see. China, USA, India also need to go in hard.

Actually China seems to be ahead of their own plans and Chinese emissions might peak in 24 and decline from that point on as they are rolling out renewables at an astonishing pace.

Re: Germany Achieves Record 57.7% Renewable Energy Share for First Half of 2023

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Post by JanSt »

_ph_ wrote: post #290
JanSt wrote: post #278

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That's dishonest. They had three month to reverse the decision on the first three in time of an energy crisis but refused to do it; they took another year not to switch off the next three. The decision HAD to be revised because of the energy crisis and lack of gas. They didn't. The production has NOT been compensated. We just produce less and import more. It will take years to compensate the six reactors - a lot of t…

It is dishonest to claim the decision could have been reverted in the last 3 months. They were in no shape to be kept running. First of all, the fuel rods were spent and would have to be ordered and would have had long delivery times. But the biggest concern would have been maintenance. The maintenance schedule was of course planned with the scheduled shut-down in mind. So a lot of maintenance and refurbishment would…

There would have been NO road blocks for extending the lifetime. Westinghouse offered fuel rods which would have been delivered in time.

They had all the normal maintenance (every 2 years) and were in pristine condition, much better than most other nuclear reactors on this planet. Only the 10 year interval was pushed out, but it's just an additional check to further increase safety over the long term. No downtime would have been required, especially no multi-year downtime.

The previous government did not know that Russia was to attack Ukraine and gas flow was about to stop with all the effects on energy availability and prices.

Re: Germany Achieves Record 57.7% Renewable Energy Share for First Half of 2023

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Post by Gwypaas »

voqv wrote: post #213
neuronic wrote: post #109

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Your comment is wrong and malicious and looking at the data proves you wrong. Using lignite only slowed the reduction of coal, nuclear was almost completely replaced by renewables. https://www.energy-charts.info/charts/power/chart.htm?l=en&c...

Just selecting 2023 as a timeframe isn't good data. You can see here [1] that on a time frame of 2000 to 2022 Germany is yet to replace reduction of nuclear generation (Kernkraft) with renewables. Construction of renewables in 2023 has only accelerated 50% relative to 2022 [2]. [1] https://www.tech-for-future.de/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/... [2] https://www.energy-charts.info/charts/installed_power/chart....

> You can see here [1] that on a time frame of 2000 to 2022 Germany is yet to replace reduction of nuclear generation (Kernkraft) with renewables

Which is another misrepresentation of statistics given that we use less electricity today than 20 years ago.

See this page for "all varieties" of the same graphs. Generally coal is on a downward trajectory, except the blip for the Covid years.

https://www.cleanenergywire.org/factsheets/germanys-energy-c...

Re: Germany Achieves Record 57.7% Renewable Energy Share for First Half of 2023

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Post by JanSt »

iSnow wrote: post #289
JanSt wrote: post #283

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I did not claim it is only to lower production - it's mainly due to it. Which is exactly my point. Renewables were not actively hindered, Germany just decided to stop paying 30-50 cent per kwh in subsidies because it's stupid. Also, this is a seperate discussion.

It's not a separate discussion, in fact it's at the core of the current problems. The original idea was to get rid of nuclear and coal and use gas as an intermediate step till renewables would be competitive. Then Merkel happened and all of a sudden, renewables were neutered and complacency set in: gas would be "good enough", and Russia a reliable supplier.

Please tell me again how that has to do with my root post on this thread.

but - okay, if you want to play this game - that has nothing to do with this thread: the renewables were built faster under Merkel than under the current coalition. Germany has the (one of) the highest electricity prices on this planet. The german electricity - after putting in $500bn+ - is still 5x dirtier than French electricity. We have not yet even started to build storage, which we will need a lot of. Finland, Sweden, France, Belgium and others are successfully combining nuclear power with RE. Germany is alone on this stupid quest and paying dearly for it.

Re: Germany Achieves Record 57.7% Renewable Energy Share for First Half of 2023

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Post by cubefox »

_ph_ wrote: post #254
harrid wrote: post #216

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> the AfD, which is a far-right party most would never consider to vote for. The AFD is currently the second most popular political party in Germany and the strongest in many parts. It's also better described as center-left.

No, the AfD is a right extremist party, one of their leading figures, Björn Höcke can now legally be called a Nazi.

Their stance on immigration is completely mainstream in many other countries.

Re: Germany Achieves Record 57.7% Renewable Energy Share for First Half of 2023

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Post by _ph_ »

cubefox wrote: post #296
_ph_ wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, the AfD is a right extremist party, one of their leading figures, Björn Höcke can now legally be called a Nazi.

Their stance on immigration is completely mainstream in many other countries.

That doesn't contradict what I wrote.

Re: Germany Achieves Record 57.7% Renewable Energy Share for First Half of 2023

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Post by _ph_ »

JanSt wrote: post #293
_ph_ wrote: post #290

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is dishonest to claim the decision could have been reverted in the last 3 months. They were in no shape to be kept running. First of all, the fuel rods were spent and would have to be ordered and would have had long delivery times. But the biggest concern would have been maintenance. The maintenance schedule was of course planned with the scheduled shut-down in mind. So a lot of maintenance and refurbishment would…

There would have been NO road blocks for extending the lifetime. Westinghouse offered fuel rods which would have been delivered in time. They had all the normal maintenance (every 2 years) and were in pristine condition, much better than most other nuclear reactors on this planet. Only the 10 year interval was pushed out, but it's just an additional check to further increase safety over the long term. No downtime wou…

No, that is not true. Maintenance was done with the respect to the planned life time. They couldn't just have kept running. That the previous government didn't knew about the Russian war onto Ukraine makes no difference. Gas prices have recovered to pre-war levels, so there is no extra need for the nuclear plants compared to before the war.

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Post by llampx »

martin_a wrote: post #149
Aachen wrote: post #65

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Maybe this is my tech bubble, but try to find a country with higher Linux/PGP/OpenStreetMap use. I am still trying to put my finger on what the culture difference is precisely, but also outside of tech there's more thinking about what the right/correct/fair thing to do is, even if that brings greater net harm in the end. Example: closing down nuclear because it's not a perfect solution and has risks and waste (ignori…

> not caring that renewables are decades away Pffft... If the government wuold decide to buy balcony solar systems for 1.000 Euro each for every household, that would come down to a mere 41 billion Euro for the whole state and that would solve lots of all of this. They found 100 billion for the Bundeswehr without any problem in the blink of an eye. If you really wanted, the whole energy topic would be set up and solv…

Meanwhile in Berlin, the incoming government decided to half the amount earmarked for building and maintaining bike lanes. Climate change is the last thing on the German government's mind, no matter what they claim.

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Post by fulafel »

cubefox wrote: post #70
Garvi wrote: post #4

Actually Germany recently shut down all of it's nuclear plants and replaced them with the dirtiest fuel possible: lignite coal burning plants. Statistics are a peculiar thing.

This is why Germany produces almost 10 times as much CO2 per kWh as France. https://abload.de/img/img_20230705_133511_84efdp.jpg It's mind boggling.

To save others from looking it up: Germany's footprint per kWh above is about the same as USA (but USA consumption is nearly twice as bad per capita vs Germany).

References: https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=74&t=11 and https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/EG.USE.ELEC.KH.PC?locat...

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