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Germany Achieves Record 57.7% Renewable Energy Share for First Half of 2023

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Re: Germany Achieves Record 57.7% Renewable Energy Share for First Half of 2023

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

sgbeal wrote: post #48
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A source for a piece of popular news that was covered by every single media out there and is only a quick google search away? https://www.google.com/search?q=germnay+nuclear+lignite I swear, sometimes HN users can be so pedantic, they'll demand source that the earth is round or that the water is wet. I used to be afraid that ChatGPT would make our jobs redundant, but seeing how people can't find basic info by themsel…

> I swear, sometimes HN users can be so pedantic, they'll ask for the source that the earth is round or that the water is wet. Without a citation, any statement of ostensible fact is just unfounded rumor.

The poster can't know what is ostensible to you and what isn't, and nor does everyone here have the time to post sources for absolutely every single statement they make as if they're writing a university research paper.

As a reader, if you're unsure of something, use common sense and in the age of powerful internet search engines and LLM chat bots at your fingertips, it's up to you to quickly check for yourself, and only ask the poster for sources when you were unable to find the corect information by yourself, otherwise it's a waste of everyone's time.

Re: Germany Achieves Record 57.7% Renewable Energy Share for First Half of 2023

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Post by matthewmacleod »

Garvi wrote: post #4

Actually Germany recently shut down all of it's nuclear plants and replaced them with the dirtiest fuel possible: lignite coal burning plants. Statistics are a peculiar thing.

Are you disagreeing with the numbers cited in some way?

Re: Germany Achieves Record 57.7% Renewable Energy Share for First Half of 2023

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Post by looping__lui »

Tade0 wrote: post #53
looping__lui wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bit not in the way people would anticipate. According to the modeling of the Fraunhofer (base assumption), we will need to double our capacity from gas (yay), double renewables to eventually achieve twice the carbon footprint of France by 2030. The base load is so high in Germany and renewables are so unreliable, that we need >100% installed capacity from “conventional” sources. The storage and “smart grid” is not re…

> we need >100% installed capacity from “conventional” sources. You already need that really. A grid going at 70% generation capacity is already considered overloaded.

I’m talking about non-renewables.

I think (and I might be wrong, but the ballpark should be right), we will have 600% capacity installed in renewables and 100-150% installed in conventional capacity by 2030. So shifting to renewables means like 700+% installer capacity, which means that when sun shines and wind blows, you will only be able to use 1/7 of the electricity produced during the day whilst also potentially running the gas turbines full steam at night. We have observed this a lot this year in Germany (e.g. wind was taken off grid because solar produced too much whilst gas and coal only delivered a minimal (?) operational load).

Re: Germany Achieves Record 57.7% Renewable Energy Share for First Half of 2023

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Post by Aachen »

a_bonobo wrote: post #39
Aachen wrote: post #8

Electricity, maybe. Energy? I wish. This headline would be more true if we had transportation fully electrified and all buildings heated with heat pumps, but last I heard the proposed law to require the latter transition to be started in 2024 was dropped again, and they're also still debating about starting to require transitioning the combustion engine fleets to electric by, what was it, 2030? I also still see stick…

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Maybe this is my tech bubble, but try to find a country with higher Linux/PGP/OpenStreetMap use. I am still trying to put my finger on what the culture difference is precisely, but also outside of tech there's more thinking about what the right/correct/fair thing to do is, even if that brings greater net harm in the end.

Example: closing down nuclear because it's not a perfect solution and has risks and waste (ignoring their proportions), in favor of renewables, not caring that renewables are decades away and it'll be replaced by maintaining coal for more years than it takes the world to trip a couple (predicted/expected) points of no return in climate change.

By comparison, I found the Netherlands to be much more yolo. Live and let live, don't care as much if what they're doing is correct

All generalisations, of course. You can find nazis and climate activists in the Netherlands as well as in Germany or anywhere else.

Re: Germany Achieves Record 57.7% Renewable Energy Share for First Half of 2023

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Post by locallost »

Garvi wrote: post #4

Actually Germany recently shut down all of it's nuclear plants and replaced them with the dirtiest fuel possible: lignite coal burning plants. Statistics are a peculiar thing.

Coal use is at a historic low in Germany, thus it is not possible that nuclear plants were replaced with coal. Statistics are reflecting reality, your facts are actually just guesses and opinions.

Re: Germany Achieves Record 57.7% Renewable Energy Share for First Half of 2023

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Post by thiago_fm »

mutlimind wrote: post #50
thiago_fm wrote: post #34

Living in Germany is leaving any big city and seeing loads of wind turbines everywhere. I know very little of its economics, like that it typically takes 7 years to pay it back and lasts 20-25 years, but looks like a good way to generate renewable energy and will likely soon take Germany to 100%. It's a goal for the government and for many years it has been pushing forward. I dislike many things here, but I can't say…

It is not viable, because renewables do not provide basic load for the grid. It is "stochastical" energy. There are no economical viable ways to store that "random" energy. There are several times in the year, where there is not enough wind and sun to feed the grid.

There are solutions being developed to store energy which will address the grid issue.

Re: Germany Achieves Record 57.7% Renewable Energy Share for First Half of 2023

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Post by lars_francke »

Glawen wrote: post #28
sirwitti wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have a source for that?

Why does OP need to provide a source? Why you don't look for the info yourself? It is common knowledge in Europe that Germany shut down its nuclear plant (15/04/23 the last one), and they compensated with a lot of coal this winter.

"This winter" the nuclear plants were still running. So...

Re: Germany Achieves Record 57.7% Renewable Energy Share for First Half of 2023

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Post by mahkeiro »

looping__lui wrote: post #19
Garvi wrote: post #4

Actually Germany recently shut down all of it's nuclear plants and replaced them with the dirtiest fuel possible: lignite coal burning plants. Statistics are a peculiar thing.

Oh, we also started importing nuclear electricity from France at scale to bridge the gap. So, it’s not as bad as you put it. Nuclear waste is now somebody else’s problem…

The total amount of electricity generation is decreasing which is a sign that energy transition is not taking place in Germany (it's just displacement). In 2019 the first half of year Germany produced 264000GWh vs 224000GWh in 2023. In fact total electricity production is decreasing since 2015 when it was over 273000GWh. You can increase your renewable share if you are producing less. If you look carefully you will see that nuclear generation was just not replaced.

Re: Germany Achieves Record 57.7% Renewable Energy Share for First Half of 2023

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Post by cubefox »

Garvi wrote: post #4

Actually Germany recently shut down all of it's nuclear plants and replaced them with the dirtiest fuel possible: lignite coal burning plants. Statistics are a peculiar thing.

This is why Germany produces almost 10 times as much CO2 per kWh as France.

https://abload.de/img/img_20230705_133511_84efdp.jpg

It's mind boggling.

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