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Germany Achieves Record 57.7% Renewable Energy Share for First Half of 2023

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Re: Germany Achieves Record 57.7% Renewable Energy Share for First Half of 2023

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Post by Gwypaas »

looping__lui wrote: post #19
Garvi wrote: post #4

Actually Germany recently shut down all of it's nuclear plants and replaced them with the dirtiest fuel possible: lignite coal burning plants. Statistics are a peculiar thing.

Oh, we also started importing nuclear electricity from France at scale to bridge the gap. So, it’s not as bad as you put it. Nuclear waste is now somebody else’s problem…

France have been importing electricity all winter due to woes with their nuclear plants.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/15/business/nuclear-power-fr...

Re: Germany Achieves Record 57.7% Renewable Energy Share for First Half of 2023

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Post by looping__lui »

newyankee wrote: post #3

I think renewable energy disruption is happening faster than many can fathom. A few breakthroughs in storage technology and things might actually turn into optimism from Climate fears in 1 or 2 decades. Hopefully entrenched interests do not let free market disrupt them this time.

Bit not in the way people would anticipate.

According to the modeling of the Fraunhofer (base assumption), we will need to double our capacity from gas (yay), double renewables to eventually achieve twice the carbon footprint of France by 2030. The base load is so high in Germany and renewables are so unreliable, that we need >100% installed capacity from “conventional” sources. The storage and “smart grid” is not really feasible or likely to happen imho.

More info: https://www.ise.fraunhofer.de/content/dam/ise/de/documents/p...

Disclaimer: I have PV, use ground heat in my house; I’m totally pro zero emission but Germany’s ideological decision making makes it impossible whilst pumping up prices beyond affordable.

Re: Germany Achieves Record 57.7% Renewable Energy Share for First Half of 2023

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Post by senttoschool »

29_29 wrote: post #24
Timon3 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What makes you say that?

https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/germany-strong-...

This just seems like anti-China propaganda, no?

The first half of the article blames the Ukraine war. The second half of the article blames China for being more competitive.

Re: Germany Achieves Record 57.7% Renewable Energy Share for First Half of 2023

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Post by looping__lui »

Aachen wrote: post #40
mutlimind wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the past 2 decades Germany has blown hundreds of billions of dollars into renewable energy. Now we have the highest electricity price in the world. It is all socialism. Zero market :-(

> Now we have the highest electricity price in the world. Imagine what that price would have been if the renewables hadn't been there and they bought only "green" gas plants instead. Or "green" nuclear, but we don't talk about that in Germany anymore

Oh, but you are aware that we need to DOUBLE our installed capacity for gas by 2030 in order to be able to manage our electricity grid towards renewables, right? Page 25:

https://www.ise.fraunhofer.de/content/dam/ise/de/documents/p...

Re: Germany Achieves Record 57.7% Renewable Energy Share for First Half of 2023

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Post by Tade0 »

newyankee wrote: post #3

I think renewable energy disruption is happening faster than many can fathom. A few breakthroughs in storage technology and things might actually turn into optimism from Climate fears in 1 or 2 decades. Hopefully entrenched interests do not let free market disrupt them this time.

> Hopefully entrenched interests do not let free market disrupt them this time.

Too late for that and not for a lack of trying. The IEA has been consistently, hilariously wrong regarding solar growth for almost two decades:

https://zenmo.com/en/photovoltaic-growth-reality-versus-proj...

Meanwhile a prototype 15MW turbine is already producing power:

https://www.offshorewind.biz/2022/12/30/vestas-15-mw-prototy...

Re: Germany Achieves Record 57.7% Renewable Energy Share for First Half of 2023

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Post by sgbeal »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #17
sirwitti wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have a source for that?

A source for a piece of popular news that was covered by every single media out there and is only a quick google search away? https://www.google.com/search?q=germnay+nuclear+lignite I swear, sometimes HN users can be so pedantic, they'll demand source that the earth is round or that the water is wet. I used to be afraid that ChatGPT would make our jobs redundant, but seeing how people can't find basic info by themsel…

> I swear, sometimes HN users can be so pedantic, they'll ask for the source that the earth is round or that the water is wet.

Without a citation, any statement of ostensible fact is just unfounded rumor.

Re: Germany Achieves Record 57.7% Renewable Energy Share for First Half of 2023

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Post by ur-whale »

thiago_fm wrote: post #34

Living in Germany is leaving any big city and seeing loads of wind turbines everywhere. I know very little of its economics, like that it typically takes 7 years to pay it back and lasts 20-25 years, but looks like a good way to generate renewable energy and will likely soon take Germany to 100%. It's a goal for the government and for many years it has been pushing forward. I dislike many things here, but I can't say…

> seeing loads of wind turbines everywhere

The wind turbines are only there to hide the giant, coal-powered power plants that Germany had to restart because the tree-huggers who run that country decided to ditch nuclear.

I very much doubt the veracity of this article.

Re: Germany Achieves Record 57.7% Renewable Energy Share for First Half of 2023

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Post by mutlimind »

thiago_fm wrote: post #34

Living in Germany is leaving any big city and seeing loads of wind turbines everywhere. I know very little of its economics, like that it typically takes 7 years to pay it back and lasts 20-25 years, but looks like a good way to generate renewable energy and will likely soon take Germany to 100%. It's a goal for the government and for many years it has been pushing forward. I dislike many things here, but I can't say…

It is not viable, because renewables do not provide basic load for the grid. It is "stochastical" energy. There are no economical viable ways to store that "random" energy. There are several times in the year, where there is not enough wind and sun to feed the grid.
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