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Monday was hottest day for global average temperature, as climate crisis bites

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Re: Monday was hottest day for global average temperature, as climate crisis bites

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Post by RHSman2 »

tomohelix wrote: post #86
wyre wrote: post #82

The climate denialism on this site is ridiculous, considering the average education and pay rates of the users on this site.

You should also consider the field and expertise of the users. Also, I am not specialized in data science but even I know that at some point, it is just so easy to cook up whatever conclusions you want if you have a big enough dataset. So I imagine that those who works with data analysis all the time eventually get jaded whenever they heard someone demanding drastic, even unreasonable, changes based on data they foun…

It isn't data science. It is earth science.

Re: Monday was hottest day for global average temperature, as climate crisis bites

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Post by seydor »

geraneum wrote: post #40
seydor wrote: post #34

I believe Temperature is now a politicized measure, therefore it forever impossible to know it's true value.

Does it mean that if my thermometer shows 10C it might be lying because of its political bias? Or did you miss an “/s” and I the sarcasm?

it depends whether you re rounding up or down

Re: Monday was hottest day for global average temperature, as climate crisis bites

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Post by ActorNightly »

wyre wrote: post #82

The climate denialism on this site is ridiculous, considering the average education and pay rates of the users on this site.

I don't think its outright denial as much as a general question on whether or not humans are contributing to it as much as "authorities" say (especially when the climate change conventions are traveled to by jets that contribute more to global warming in one flight that a person can reduce in a year, iirc the stats), and the resistance to all the restrictions placed on middle class when upper class and government gets a pass.

The other thing is that there were predictions made about some things like Miami being underwater in early 2020s that never came true, and the same type of predictions that are being made.

So tbf, its not really that unwarranted to be skeptical.

Re: Monday was hottest day for global average temperature, as climate crisis bites

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Post by Timon3 »

ActorNightly wrote: post #113
wyre wrote: post #82

The climate denialism on this site is ridiculous, considering the average education and pay rates of the users on this site.

I don't think its outright denial as much as a general question on whether or not humans are contributing to it as much as "authorities" say (especially when the climate change conventions are traveled to by jets that contribute more to global warming in one flight that a person can reduce in a year, iirc the stats), and the resistance to all the restrictions placed on middle class when upper class and government get…

Who made those predictions?

Re: Monday was hottest day for global average temperature, as climate crisis bites

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Post by Timon3 »

jiggyjace wrote: post #58

I think it's unwise to constantly associate normal temperature fluctuations with any threat to civilization. If anything, it might be a leading indicator of mass migration. But we shouldn't ignore evidence to the contrary, mass influx of population towards warm areas, like the Sun Belt. If anything, humanity has increased in its capabilities to live in hot temperatures.

Did you not read the part where it's the hottest day recorded? That is, by definition, not a normal temperature fluctuation.

Re: Monday was hottest day for global average temperature, as climate crisis bites

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Post by thworp »

smolder wrote: post #52
ars wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a great way to make everyone ignore it. Calling it a "crisis" does the same thing, the first time you hear crisis you get worried, then you realize it's a very very slow moving thing and you start ignoring them. Being alarmist helps no one. Just be factual about it, it's not the news media's job to rile people up or get them to take some kind of action.

There are mountains of people doing what you do and complaining about alarmism and fear mongering and chiding people for apocalyptic predictions any time this subject comes up. I think that's worse than unhelpful, and is a disservice to everyone that lives after us. People are sounding the alarms and making dire predictions because there is so far 0 indication that as a global society we can cooperate well enough to…

On the flip side if we overreact and destroy our food and logistics systems over it the suffering will be worse than climate change. If the right people gain power I could see them doing something totally misguided like banning fertilizer or destroying electricity grids.

Re: Monday was hottest day for global average temperature, as climate crisis bites

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Post by jiggyjace »

Timon3 wrote: post #115
jiggyjace wrote: post #58

I think it's unwise to constantly associate normal temperature fluctuations with any threat to civilization. If anything, it might be a leading indicator of mass migration. But we shouldn't ignore evidence to the contrary, mass influx of population towards warm areas, like the Sun Belt. If anything, humanity has increased in its capabilities to live in hot temperatures.

Did you not read the part where it's the hottest day recorded? That is, by definition, not a normal temperature fluctuation.

Hottest day recorded, likely since 1871 (1), but actually we don't know because the article doesn't offer that information. The Earth has been around much longer though.

(1): https://data.noaa.gov/onestop/collections/details/55bedd68-b...

Re: Monday was hottest day for global average temperature, as climate crisis bites

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Post by Timon3 »

jiggyjace wrote: post #117
Timon3 wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you not read the part where it's the hottest day recorded? That is, by definition, not a normal temperature fluctuation.

Hottest day recorded, likely since 1871 (1), but actually we don't know because the article doesn't offer that information. The Earth has been around much longer though. (1): https://data.noaa.gov/onestop/collections/details/55bedd68-b...

> Hottest day recorded, likely since 1871 (1), but actually we don't know because the article doesn't offer that information. The Earth has been around much longer though.

Why does it matter how long the earth has been around? We're not talking about the hottest day of all time (remember that for a long time the earth had a molten crust), we're specifically talking about the hottest recorded day. It sounds like you're putting it as a gotcha when it's just the topic.

Re: Monday was hottest day for global average temperature, as climate crisis bites

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Post by wizofaus »

jlengrand wrote: post #3
yodsanklai wrote: post #2

Such records are going to get broken pretty much every year. Shouldn't really be "news".

It should be news everywhere each and every day until we do enough about it so it isn't any more IMHO

The Guardian hears you: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jul/05/tuesday-...

Re: Monday was hottest day for global average temperature, as climate crisis bites

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Post by wizofaus »

superb_dev wrote: post #4
yodsanklai wrote: post #2

Such records are going to get broken pretty much every year. Shouldn't really be "news".

And this one will be broken again today

Indeed: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jul/05/tuesday-... For your next trick can you give us tomorrow's lottery numbers?
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