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Re: That Time I Posted Myself Out Of a Job

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Post by resolutebat »

grimgoldgo wrote: post #57
SuchAnonMuchWow wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Considering the previous tweet said "fuck you", yes it is an attack.

"Fuck you" has so many different tones, and is so ubiquitous. It can be playful, jocular, intense, deadly serious, all over the place. Fuck you is not, by default, a personal attack, imo. It's also almost certainly culturally different on different coasts, online, in person, etc. A tweet is like, nothing.

You're not even wrong, but the problem is that when you post on Twitter, any and all context and nuance is immediately lost and all that's left is a string of ASCII spelling out "fuck you".

Re: That Time I Posted Myself Out Of a Job

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Post by furyofantares »

grimgoldgo wrote: post #20
josephcsible wrote: post #6

If you publicly make personal attacks against employees of your employer's biggest customer, isn't firing you a completely reasonable thing for your employer to do?

Is saying "the blood never washes off" the hands of this DoD employee really a personal attack? I mean, it certainly seems like a consistent and reasonably widely held belief that military industrial complex jobs cost lives. There's of course the opposite opinion too. I'm not interested in trying to demonstrate that one opinion is right or wrong, just that like, is this really an attack ?

The author has some captions on the screenshots of the tweets if it helps you here:

"I don’t even usually swear much"

"Anger does not really become me, but boy was I mad."

Re: That Time I Posted Myself Out Of a Job

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Post by Hamuko »

camillomiller wrote: post #77
King-Aaron wrote: post #18

> Being as I’m not an idiot Well, I'm afraid to say after reading this, I have to disagree. Common sense would have made me consider not posting an inflammatory tweet like that, to be perfectly honest.

Do you realize you are all reinforcing that business must come always first before personal expression? It is factual that one person was touting instruments of war, but by most comments here that’s seen as “the right” because it’s representing “business”. What you’re all saying implicitly is that the rights of a corporate employer to make money are always above the freedom to personal expression, by contract, by law…

Considering that this person was happily collecting a paycheck from a company that supplies DoD, I'd personally not make the "personal beliefs are more important than business" argument.

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Post by Osmose »

parineum wrote: post #129
camillomiller wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you realize you are all reinforcing that business must come always first before personal expression? It is factual that one person was touting instruments of war, but by most comments here that’s seen as “the right” because it’s representing “business”. What you’re all saying implicitly is that the rights of a corporate employer to make money are always above the freedom to personal expression, by contract, by law…

> I reiterate that you’re all confirming that contributing to corporate capitalism is incompatible with personal freedom. Nah, she should have quit and exercised her personal freedom to work for an employer she doesn't think is a war criminal. _That's_ how capitalism works, vote with your labor/dollar. Instead, she fought tooth and nail to keep that corporate job and the blood money that came with it.

Yes, the implication here is that having to give up something that is comparatively very valuable to you (your livelihood) while the consequences to the company of plucking it away from you are tiny (a line item on a budget somewhere) in order to exercise your freedom is a flaw of capitalism.

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Post by imjonse »

I agree she's obnoxious (as is anyone tweeting too much), and tweeting that is kind of rude, but would she get more positive reviews here if she were a Tencent/Yandex employee and had tweeted the equivalent of FU at a presentation of a Chinese/Russian military tech representative?

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Post by janejeon »

kome wrote: post #112
constantly wrote: post #4

I would have fired this person as soon as humanly possible for basically (actually) telling customers of the company to go F themselves, and making horribly insensitive and inappropriate jokes at their expense. imho the point of this article seems to be to tell the story where big bad VMWare or the target of VMWare’s employee’s ire stomped on poor VMWare employee, but I think it makes the employee look bad. I would a…

I don't know anything about this person, but I would definitely hire them just because of this story! I like this kind of ppl and i dislike bootlickers, suckers and ppl without a spine

> I don't know anything about this person, but I would definitely hire them just because of this story! I like this kind of ppl and i dislike bootlickers, suckers and ppl without a spine

There's a difference between being a "bootlicker" and being extremely unprofessional (to the nth degree).

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Post by squeaky-clean »

pewpew2020 wrote: post #43
cmdli wrote: post #24

> "Being as I’m not an idiot, I elect to bring a witness of my own (@lizthegrey ). She slightly livetweeted that conversation until VP VMware tells her to stop. " This, I think, is the point that caused the firing. It's pretty clear that if you choose a witness who then posts everything publicly that you are not discussing in good faith. Like, it's your right to speak your mind, and maybe you think you are in the mor…

and that was an "external" witness, not even an employee of the company. Which company would tolerate that? Social media has somehow conditioned people to think they can air all of their opinions with no filter and when there are consequences, they act surprised.

I took external to mean someone not involved in the conflict. If they actually were external to the company, that's insane and definitely cemented them being fired. Maybe even before the second round of live-tweeting.
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