Sao Paulo: A city with no outdoor advertisements (2013) • Hacker News Board

Re: Sao Paulo: A city with no outdoor advertisements (2013)

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Post by carlosjobim » Wed, Jul 05, 2023, 12:27 AM UTC

p1necone wrote: post #277

carlosjobim wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Actually it is the opposite, it is a scream from those who don't really have a voice in the city. It is most certainly not. This romanticizing of criminals and vandals is not any kind of compassion. Who would like their neighborhood or home turned into a hell scape? Edit: To those who downvoted my comment, go look up some pictures of how these neighborhoods look when they are all covered in tags. Ask yourself if yo…

Personally I pretty much always prefer to see graffiti over plain grey concrete, even when it is just simple tags.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b7/Sao_vito...

Would you like to look at only buildings and every surface around you looking like the picture above and worse for hours every day for your commute. Because that is the reality for millions of people. Desolation and decay might be a cool photo for traveling hackers to put on their Instagram, but I think it is different when you have to live in it.

I have never heard anybody from São Paulo talk about the delights of this grafitti covering the whole city. I guess they're just uncultured?

Re: Sao Paulo: A city with no outdoor advertisements (2013)

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Post by dang » Wed, Jul 05, 2023, 12:28 AM UTC

chaosjevil wrote: post #175

kroltan wrote: post #36

I lived until recently in Florianópolis, one of the state capitals of Brazil. It is a naturally beautiful island city, and it has an iconic bridge leading into it ("Ponte Hercilio Luz" if you want to search for photos). For some god forsaken reason, someone got away with building a gigantic - and I mean GIGANTIC - screen billboard right in line of sight of this historic postcard. I don't recall when it was installed,…

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Please don't take HN threads into flamewar. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Sao Paulo: A city with no outdoor advertisements (2013)

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Post by anigbrowl » Wed, Jul 05, 2023, 12:33 AM UTC

kroltan wrote: post #36

I lived until recently in Florianópolis, one of the state capitals of Brazil. It is a naturally beautiful island city, and it has an iconic bridge leading into it ("Ponte Hercilio Luz" if you want to search for photos). For some god forsaken reason, someone got away with building a gigantic - and I mean GIGANTIC - screen billboard right in line of sight of this historic postcard. I don't recall when it was installed,…

Y'all need to team up and figure out a way to get rid of the billboard.

Re: Sao Paulo: A city with no outdoor advertisements (2013)

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Post by eq88 » Wed, Jul 05, 2023, 12:44 AM UTC

Bring this to Vancouver, BC

Re: Sao Paulo: A city with no outdoor advertisements (2013)

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Post by anigbrowl » Wed, Jul 05, 2023, 12:46 AM UTC

WaitWaitWha wrote: post #177

I am all for cleaning up the advertisement everywhere. That said, I am not sure the article convinced me with the conclusions drawn. > Despite the forebodings, São Paulo’s economy didn’t run aground ... All those advertising business are now defunct. That is a significant impact to those companies and 20,000 employees. It is disingenuous to write "20,000 people would lose jobs", then flip and say the entire city "eco…

That is a significant impact to those companies and 20,000 employees.

Good, they were making money off information pollution and psychological manipulation.

Re: Sao Paulo: A city with no outdoor advertisements (2013)

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Post by pharrington » Wed, Jul 05, 2023, 12:50 AM UTC

Luctct wrote: post #119

ericmay wrote: post #75

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One key difference is the scale. You can think of a billboard as really bad graffiti that’s shoved in your face to manipulate you. Graffiti is ugly too (not to be confused with urban art) and should always be removed. Generating money for the government isn’t something to be concerned with in this context, and most likely a billboard doesn’t generate enough money for the government versus the drain it has on the publ…

You see, you just said that "We just don’t have the tools yet to objectively define beauty" and "Boston City Hall is objectively an awful building" (and holy shit, it really is awful) in the same paragraph! Don't you see the contradiction? In another comment here, someone said, "I'm not arguing for or against that - I'm just stating a fact (...) I find it extremely ugly." Hey, "I find it extremely ugly" IS arguing ag…

You're showing up to Hacker News to yell about poor youngsters with "ghetto culture," and then project them as "fascist." Are you really sure about this?

Re: Sao Paulo: A city with no outdoor advertisements (2013)

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Post by carlosjobim » Wed, Jul 05, 2023, 12:54 AM UTC

tiagod wrote: post #285

carlosjobim wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Actually it is the opposite, it is a scream from those who don't really have a voice in the city. It is most certainly not. This romanticizing of criminals and vandals is not any kind of compassion. Who would like their neighborhood or home turned into a hell scape? Edit: To those who downvoted my comment, go look up some pictures of how these neighborhoods look when they are all covered in tags. Ask yourself if yo…

Honestly, does unsolicited ink even rank in the major issues faced by São Paulo, or any major city?

Murder is the major issue in São Paulo. Does that mean nothing else should be discussed or commented upon?

Re: Sao Paulo: A city with no outdoor advertisements (2013)

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Post by jaimex2 » Wed, Jul 05, 2023, 12:58 AM UTC

Look at street view instead of the articles pictures. It's not a big deal at all.

Re: Sao Paulo: A city with no outdoor advertisements (2013)

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Post by fastball » Wed, Jul 05, 2023, 1:06 AM UTC

leonheld wrote: post #105

kroltan wrote: post #36

I lived until recently in Florianópolis, one of the state capitals of Brazil. It is a naturally beautiful island city, and it has an iconic bridge leading into it ("Ponte Hercilio Luz" if you want to search for photos). For some god forsaken reason, someone got away with building a gigantic - and I mean GIGANTIC - screen billboard right in line of sight of this historic postcard. I don't recall when it was installed,…

I live here and oh God I fucking that that billboard so much. It fills me with pure rage.

You fucking what?

Re: Sao Paulo: A city with no outdoor advertisements (2013)

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Post by candydiaz » Wed, Jul 05, 2023, 1:09 AM UTC

At first glance this may be perceived as a good thing. But as someone who lived my whole life in Sao Paulo i dare to disagree.

Not only it killed part of advertising industry, and for me made the city uglier, it was a faccade to destroy small businness, shops and buildings and replace them with condos for the mayor friends. Who "surprisingly" used to be a civil engineer.

Funnily enough, the only thing allowed to have huge billboards and outdoors is the Estate, public buses, subway wagons, subway stations. They are all full of advertisements. Huge ones, and guess what. Much more expensive cause they have the monopoly of it. Hypocritical to say the least.

This law, together with the PSIU law which forbid loud noises, were used to close down small business, demolish them and build useless lifeless new buildings. Where there were life, shops, bars, restaurants, lights, its now full of huge buildings, more crime and the corpse of a once alive and blooming city.