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Monday was hottest day for global average temperature, as climate crisis bites

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Re: Monday was hottest day for global average temperature, as climate crisis bites

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Post by Epa095 »

ars wrote: post #50
jlengrand wrote: post #26

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It has been the warmest day in the history since anyone starting measuring, and the summer days haven't started globally yet is a pretty factual way to put it in my book

I agree. But don't call it "Climate Crisis", that just sounds silly, and will make people ignore you (it's also not factual since a crisis is something that happens quickly). "Global Warming", or "Climate Change" work perfectly fine.

It very much is a crisis. Merriam-webster is literally using "the environmental crisis" as an example of proper use of the word "crisis".

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/crisis

Re: Monday was hottest day for global average temperature, as climate crisis bites

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Post by slater »

fdsajkfdskl wrote: post #69
comfypotato wrote: post #66

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Climate science has always acknowledged this. The rate of rise is unprecedented. This is based on non-man-made evidence we gather from the world around us. Concentration of pollen in layers of ice cores for example.

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> Then who are these kind of headlines (ie, "Hottest day ever!") for? Given they are factually incorrect

how so?

Re: Monday was hottest day for global average temperature, as climate crisis bites

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Post by wizofaus »

fdsajkfdskl wrote: post #69
comfypotato wrote: post #66

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Climate science has always acknowledged this. The rate of rise is unprecedented. This is based on non-man-made evidence we gather from the world around us. Concentration of pollen in layers of ice cores for example.

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The headline doesn't say "ever", it says "on record". That's widely understood to mean "since accurate temperature records began", and doesn't include the fact that the earth was known to be far warmer in former aeons (we certainly don't have any records of what the average temperature was on any given day then).

Re: Monday was hottest day for global average temperature, as climate crisis bites

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Post by fdsajkfdskl »

comfypotato wrote: post #66
fdsajkfdskl wrote: post #65

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Climate science has always acknowledged this. The rate of rise is unprecedented. This is based on non-man-made evidence we gather from the world around us. Concentration of pollen in layers of ice cores for example.

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Re: Monday was hottest day for global average temperature, as climate crisis bites

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Post by fdsajkfdskl »

wizofaus wrote: post #74
fdsajkfdskl wrote: post #69

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The headline doesn't say "ever", it says "on record". That's widely understood to mean "since accurate temperature records began", and doesn't include the fact that the earth was known to be far warmer in former aeons (we certainly don't have any records of what the average temperature was on any given day then).

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Re: Monday was hottest day for global average temperature, as climate crisis bites

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Post by comfypotato »

fdsajkfdskl wrote: post #69
comfypotato wrote: post #66

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Climate science has always acknowledged this. The rate of rise is unprecedented. This is based on non-man-made evidence we gather from the world around us. Concentration of pollen in layers of ice cores for example.

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For me, in the context of the climate change discussion, I knew exactly what it was trying to communicate. I did not find it particularly sensationalized.

> Would love to see a source for that.

False. If you’d love to you would have at least given it a quick Google and found plenty of relevant papers.

There are thousands of studies that would communicate what I just said with a basic Google Scholar search.

If you’re a climate change denier just say that so we can move on with our lives.

Re: Monday was hottest day for global average temperature, as climate crisis bites

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Post by akiselev »

fdsajkfdskl wrote: post #65
akiselev wrote: post #53

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There are tens (if not hundreds) of thousands of land based weather stations, bouys and floats, weather balloons, radiosondes, observatories, and satellites around the world that form a lot of different sensor networks like Argo, ASOS, AWOS, etc. operated by a bunch of government agencies around the world. The World Meteorological Organization at the UN coordinates the sharing of all this data and there are too many…

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It's literally in the first paragraph of TFA:

> This Monday, 3 July 2023, was the hottest day ever recorded globally, according to data from the US National Centers for Environmental Prediction.

Key phrase: "ever recorded globally"

It's obviously not the hottest day ever because four and a half billion years ago during the Hadean [1] the surface temperature of the earth would have been hundreds of degrees centigrade.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadean

Re: Monday was hottest day for global average temperature, as climate crisis bites

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Post by wizofaus »

fdsajkfdskl wrote: post #76
wizofaus wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The headline doesn't say "ever", it says "on record". That's widely understood to mean "since accurate temperature records began", and doesn't include the fact that the earth was known to be far warmer in former aeons (we certainly don't have any records of what the average temperature was on any given day then).

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> HN's editorialised version does not say that.

True, "on record" was elided, but nor does it say "ever". And given the readership of HN I doubt it was done for sensationalist purposes, purely space-saving.

> So the problem is?

None, that I can see - it was you that claimed the headline was "factually incorrect".

Re: Monday was hottest day for global average temperature, as climate crisis bites

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Post by rfdsaljfds »

akiselev wrote: post #78
fdsajkfdskl wrote: post #65

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It's literally in the first paragraph of TFA: > This Monday, 3 July 2023, was the hottest day ever recorded globally, according to data from the US National Centers for Environmental Prediction. Key phrase: "ever recorded globally" It's obviously not the hottest day ever because four and a half billion years ago during the Hadean [1] the surface temperature of the earth would have been hundreds of degrees centigrade.…

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