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Monday was hottest day for global average temperature, as climate crisis bites

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Re: Monday was hottest day for global average temperature, as climate crisis bites

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Post by jmclnx »

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #8
ThisIsNowhere wrote: post #6

Well the US Supreme Court said last year that any new Environmental Protection Agency regulation is invalid on creation, so there's that.

It’s supposed to be Congress’ job to do something, but unfortunately they appear to be useless.

>unfortunately they appear to be useless

Being nice aren't we :)

They are useless unless the regulation lines their pockets along with it seems the Court System. The US will bring down the world with it based upon how the Supreme Court Legalized bribing.

I say this as a US citizen.

Re: Monday was hottest day for global average temperature, as climate crisis bites

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Post by runarberg »

triceratops wrote: post #11
amanaplanacanal wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s supposed to be Congress’ job to do something, but unfortunately they appear to be useless.

Open your eyes to the possibility that maybe, just maybe, SCOTUS kicked it back to Congress purely because Congress is useless and won't do anything.

Congress has been doing climate and environmental regulation since Nixon. However in 1998 the Senate killed the Kyoto protocol (even though it was signed by the Clinton administration) and in 2001 the Bush administration became increasingly hostile towards any climate regulation. This supreme court case is simply yet another governing body standing in the way of congress to write and maintain climate and environmental regulation.

Don't blame this on the congress. Doing so is an ahistorical timeline.

Re: Monday was hottest day for global average temperature, as climate crisis bites

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Post by tacker2000 »

smolder wrote: post #52
ars wrote: post #19

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That's a great way to make everyone ignore it. Calling it a "crisis" does the same thing, the first time you hear crisis you get worried, then you realize it's a very very slow moving thing and you start ignoring them. Being alarmist helps no one. Just be factual about it, it's not the news media's job to rile people up or get them to take some kind of action.

There are mountains of people doing what you do and complaining about alarmism and fear mongering and chiding people for apocalyptic predictions any time this subject comes up. I think that's worse than unhelpful, and is a disservice to everyone that lives after us. People are sounding the alarms and making dire predictions because there is so far 0 indication that as a global society we can cooperate well enough to…

So what do you suggest? Be scared everyday of the impending doom that awaits us inevitably (or maybe not in the end)? Is that a good way to live life?

Re: Monday was hottest day for global average temperature, as climate crisis bites

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Post by wrycoder »

nzach wrote: post #21

How does someone measure the average global temperature? And what does it means? The Wikipedia[0] has one interesting source[1] but what they show there isn't an average. My guess would be that somehow satellites can measure the surface temperature and use that to make an average? I would be very happy if someone could some point me to some explanations about this process. [0] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_s…

There are two sets of satellites that measure the temperature of the global troposphere, and have been doing so for over forty years. The data from one of them, UAH, is analyzed here.[0] It is increasing at 0.13C per decade, averaged over 44 years.

[0] https://www.drroyspencer.com/2023/06/uah-global-temperature-...

Re: Monday was hottest day for global average temperature, as climate crisis bites

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Post by fdsajkfdskl »

akiselev wrote: post #53
nzach wrote: post #21

How does someone measure the average global temperature? And what does it means? The Wikipedia[0] has one interesting source[1] but what they show there isn't an average. My guess would be that somehow satellites can measure the surface temperature and use that to make an average? I would be very happy if someone could some point me to some explanations about this process. [0] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_s…

There are tens (if not hundreds) of thousands of land based weather stations, bouys and floats, weather balloons, radiosondes, observatories, and satellites around the world that form a lot of different sensor networks like Argo, ASOS, AWOS, etc. operated by a bunch of government agencies around the world. The World Meteorological Organization at the UN coordinates the sharing of all this data and there are too many…

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Re: Monday was hottest day for global average temperature, as climate crisis bites

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Post by comfypotato »

fdsajkfdskl wrote: post #65
akiselev wrote: post #53

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There are tens (if not hundreds) of thousands of land based weather stations, bouys and floats, weather balloons, radiosondes, observatories, and satellites around the world that form a lot of different sensor networks like Argo, ASOS, AWOS, etc. operated by a bunch of government agencies around the world. The World Meteorological Organization at the UN coordinates the sharing of all this data and there are too many…

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Climate science has always acknowledged this. The rate of rise is unprecedented. This is based on non-man-made evidence we gather from the world around us. Concentration of pollen in layers of ice cores for example.

Re: Monday was hottest day for global average temperature, as climate crisis bites

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Post by jbotz »

orwin wrote: post #57
rich_sasha wrote: post #41

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Very interesting. Please can you suggest a reference?

In French (I don't know if the English words I used were correct, so I can't search English sources): Article from a vulgarisation paper: https://www.futura-sciences.com/planete/dossiers/climatologi... And a pdf from my previous university (way drier, lot of math and inference, nice graphs though): https://web.lmd.jussieu.fr/~jldufres/IUFM_Creteil/Dufresne_b...

I can't find a date on either of these, but they look a bit dated. The newest reference in the presenetation is from 2007 and uses graphs from 2001.

I know that I heard something aout CO2 taking 20 years to get to the upper atmosphere around then, too, but not since, and I remember being curious about that and researching it a bit about a decade ago and finding that this is not what most atmospheric scientists believed (anymore?).

Re: Monday was hottest day for global average temperature, as climate crisis bites

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Post by Epa095 »

tacker2000 wrote: post #63
smolder wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are mountains of people doing what you do and complaining about alarmism and fear mongering and chiding people for apocalyptic predictions any time this subject comes up. I think that's worse than unhelpful, and is a disservice to everyone that lives after us. People are sounding the alarms and making dire predictions because there is so far 0 indication that as a global society we can cooperate well enough to…

So what do you suggest? Be scared everyday of the impending doom that awaits us inevitably (or maybe not in the end)? Is that a good way to live life?

You can for example figure out how you can help the situation? Sticking your head in the sand is probably not the most helpful thing you can do. Even if YOU can't stop global warming (none of us can alone), you can atleast help spread willingness to action by telling the sober truth. Not exaggerate, but also not trivialise it.

Re: Monday was hottest day for global average temperature, as climate crisis bites

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Post by fdsajkfdskl »

comfypotato wrote: post #66
fdsajkfdskl wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Climate science has always acknowledged this. The rate of rise is unprecedented. This is based on non-man-made evidence we gather from the world around us. Concentration of pollen in layers of ice cores for example.

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Re: Monday was hottest day for global average temperature, as climate crisis bites

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Post by orwin »

jbotz wrote: post #67
orwin wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In French (I don't know if the English words I used were correct, so I can't search English sources): Article from a vulgarisation paper: https://www.futura-sciences.com/planete/dossiers/climatologi... And a pdf from my previous university (way drier, lot of math and inference, nice graphs though): https://web.lmd.jussieu.fr/~jldufres/IUFM_Creteil/Dufresne_b...

I can't find a date on either of these, but they look a bit dated. The newest reference in the presenetation is from 2007 and uses graphs from 2001. I know that I heard something aout CO2 taking 20 years to get to the upper atmosphere around then, too, but not since, and I remember being curious about that and researching it a bit about a decade ago and finding that this is not what most atmospheric scientists believ…

I stopped learning physics circa 2011, so I might be dated too tbh.

I'll look into it tomorrow.

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