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Goodreads was the future of book reviews, then Amazon bought it

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Re: Goodreads was the future of book reviews, then Amazon bought it

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Potentially good alternative is https://literal.club/ Not affiliated, just a happy user of the site.

Do you know of any good forums or discussion places about books overall, or is literal good for it?

Don’t know about forums unfortunately. I use literal primarily for book tracking and discovery and I have no idea if it’s any good to also discuss books with other people.

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A lot of my disillusionment with startups come from this. Being lied to repeatedly by different owners about how selling should be our goal to really start to win, only for the purchase to be the moment where we really start to lose. It breaks something precious.

Well, the owners win. That's usually who they're referring to when they say "our", "us", etc.

And every spring, there's a new batch of suckers who haven't learned what 'we' means.

Old programmers are discriminated against because they point out when you're taking managerial shortcuts or, as in this case, outright lying.

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Potentially good alternative is https://literal.club/ Not affiliated, just a happy user of the site.

There's also Storygraph. Looks like both sites support exporting data from Goodreads, and Literal.club supports export from Storygraph.

Storygraph is pretty good, the UI is a little wonky but I prefer it to Goodreads largely because it isn't Amazon. I use it mostly for tracking reading, not so much for recommendations, but I have gotten some good recs from it.

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Eh, Goodreads has always suffered from the same problem that plagues every other review system which uses "score out of X" ranking. Humans just aren't very good at ranking things on a normal distribution, so you invariably end up with every item (books in this case) being ranked somewhere in the 3.5-4.5 range (since Goodreads is out of 5). For IMDB the rankings all hover around 8ish. When in reality the average book…

I just give you two books that you've read and you tell me which is better.

I played around with a tool for sorting through my personal photos based on that idea.

It gets interesting when you start thinking of how to optimally choose pairs to compare, to maximise signal and minimize redundant comparisons. This becomes more important as the size of the set of objects you are comparing becomes large.

https://github.com/tim-fan/image_sorting

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No, that's throwing the baby out with the bathwater. There's no problem if a company with 2% of the market merges with another company with 2% -- it tends to lower prices by removing inefficiencies. It's only a problem when prices rise or innovation stops when there are only ~2 competitors left, or when the a single player has 40%+ market share. Also a large proportion of mergers have nothing to do with market share…

Vertical consolidation is also monopolistic, it reduces competition by removing a buyer and a seller from a healthy marketplace. what is actually good for consumers is fierce competition spoiling the sleep of capitalists.

It's still the same rules though.

If you're buying a supplier for 5% of the marketplace it's perfectly fine.

If you're buying a supplier for 65% of the market then that's a problem.

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I think we're seeing increased scrutiny towards any social network remaining after Reddit and Twitter have been anti-consumer in their monetization practices. Personally, I've taken a great interest in ultimate-guitar.com, which I consider the equivalent of Goodreads for guitar and other music tabs. Networks like UG and Goodreads are the juiciest targets for corporate takeovers, and both those sites were entirely sta…

This is the sort of thing the folks behind ArchiveTeam.org live for. I’ve not looked at their site in awhile because it’s heartbreaking what they didn’t get the chance to archive, but they’ve managed to rescue an awful lot, and provide the means for even not-very technical people to help out.

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Unfortunately that's exactly why so many startups get bought. Not to become part of the parent company's business, no, just not to become a competitor later. Would stronger (and enforced) anti trust laws be a solution? I believe businesses would just lie and say they are going to be part of the business but then just bury them anyway.

> I believe businesses would just lie and say they are going to be part of the business but then just bury them anyway. That's where my pet antitrust solution succeeds where others fail: ban all M&A. Companies only engage in mergers to consolidate market share, but their market share consolidation (i.e. monopolization) not only decreases competition, but also comes at the expense of employees and customers of the acq…

A lot of technologies are brought to a much bigger audience through an acquisition. PASemi for example wouldn’t have had nearly the impact they did if Apple had not acquired them and made them the foundation of Apple Silicon.

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> the average book should have a 2.5 Disagree on this. This assumes that people read books completely at random. In reality, people read blurbs/summaries or get a recommendation and the typical book you read is likely to be better than the midpoint between the worst book you've read and the best book you've read (I'm assuming a linear scale mental model).

> This assumes that people read books completely at random. I'm not sure it implies that. I think that if: 1. Book quality follows a normal distribution. and 2. People are capable of accurately assessing the quality of books relative to other books. then you'd end up with an average rating of 2.5. It doesn't matter if people are disproportionately reading the better books and rating them highly because an increasing…

Good points. But do we have evidence GR is not a normal distribution. GP’s comment does apply to views of ratings, so we might have an impression if higher average rating because the books we look at are more often better than avg.

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Unfortunately that's exactly why so many startups get bought. Not to become part of the parent company's business, no, just not to become a competitor later. Would stronger (and enforced) anti trust laws be a solution? I believe businesses would just lie and say they are going to be part of the business but then just bury them anyway.

> I believe businesses would just lie and say they are going to be part of the business but then just bury them anyway. That's where my pet antitrust solution succeeds where others fail: ban all M&A. Companies only engage in mergers to consolidate market share, but their market share consolidation (i.e. monopolization) not only decreases competition, but also comes at the expense of employees and customers of the acq…

that would essentially ban the stock market, i think. Shares have value because if you accumulate enough of them you control the company, or can sell them to someone else who wants to control the company. If you prevent the buyer from using the company to benefit their interests then there won’t be any buyers. and poof, the entire startup finance appratus evaporates.
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