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US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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Post by 7thaccount »

waihtis wrote: post #91
7thaccount wrote: post #40

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That's a good point other than the fact that it sounds like you're saying he doesn't need to be held accountable in a court of law for his numerous crimes. No politician should be exempt from the law.

No, actually I want more accountability as ultimately the money politicians launder into their own pockets directly or indirectly comes from a power vested by citizens. Useful idiots who point fingers at one edge of the political spectrum are smokescreening the bigger issue.

I don't think it's an either or thing. Both situations are bad. We should both hold Trump accountable AND push against corruptions by all politicians. If Hunter Biden was influence peddling (no idea if he was)...that's a problem too and so is whatever I assume Jared and Ivanka were doing for 4 years (e.g. the $2B Jared reportedly got from Saudi Arabia).

I do agree that some of the culture war is likely manufactured to prevent a concentrated movement against a system that overly caters to the ultra wealthy.

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Post by tashoecraft »

Loquebantur wrote: post #526
tashoecraft wrote: post #405

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VFX artists react had a pretty good video where they're pretty sure the footage over the ocean is just a bird. The oddness is due to the camera optics and the vessel that's recording it traveling extremely fast.

Do you assume, US fighter pilots get stumped by birds often? I find it really remarkable how far behind the curve HN is on this topic. It's literally the nerdiest, most avant-garde topic of all. Yet here people behave like their own grandfathers. TheHill.com reports on Congress acting on the mounting evidence for ET craft crash retrieval programs illegally hidden from democratic oversight, people on HN discuss whethe…

No we’re logical. Did a 20-30year old looking at a monitor screen maybe get stumped? Or it’s aliens. What’s more likely?

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Post by stringfood »

aniforprez wrote: post #593
cgriswald wrote: post #560

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No, that does not follow. You're arguing for a sort of technology threshold beyond which we cannot see (presumably within a reasonable time frame). However, which side of said threshold we are on, even for technology from a civilization a million years older, isn't clear. I am not convinced it can be clear, since we'd be arguing about properties of a hypothetical craft. A time-based argument is probably not useful. T…

Any alien civilisation, unless it's within our very solar system and we've failed to detect it which seems thoroughly unlikely, has visited us from another star system. If not FTL, they have the means to travel across light years of distance and are capable of preserving themselves for the trip if it's a long one and folding space if it's a "short" trip. That kind of technology to do either is still beyond us despite…

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Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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Post by quickthrowman »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #538
quickthrowman wrote: post #527

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Ok, let’s add a third scenario: aliens have visited Earth undetected. Hell, you can add as many scenarios as you like, I’m still going to go with ‘Aliens have not visited earth’ unless presented with overwhelmingly concrete evidence. Anecdotes and eyewitness accounts from falliable humans and weird sensor readings from non-scientific sensors that are designed for war are not the least bit convincing to me. Being visi…

You don't want evidence, you want someone important to say convincing evidence exists. One is factual and scientific, the other is authoritarian. There are decades of evidence of sightings and encounters, collected by government and military agencies in multiple countries. It's nonsense to claim no evidence of anomalies exists when that's just not factually correct. Evidence of what is a different question. But the s…

> You don't want evidence, you want someone important to say convincing evidence exists. One is factual and scientific, the other is authoritarian. There are decades of evidence of sightings and encounters, collected by government and military agencies in multiple countries.

No, I want concrete evidence, not eyewitness testimony from pilots, ‘whistleblowers’ who report secondhand accounts of witnesses, videos, and sensor data. None of those things are concrete evidence of alien spacecraft visiting earth. There certainly are a lot of aerial anomalies, which makes sense as many nation states are flying all kinds of things all over the world and our vision, cameras and sensors are all fallible.

> It's nonsense to claim no evidence of anomalies exists when that's just not factually correct.

I am saying I don’t believe any of the alleged sightings are real alien spacecraft, not that there aren’t reports of anomalous aircraft.

> Not from "I can't imagine this is happening and it makes me anxious, so I'll just pretend there's nothing real to worry about."

I’m not anxious about aliens existing, I think the discovery of alien life would be the most exciting thing that has happened in human history. I’d be glad to be alive for that, regardless of the outcome. I just don’t think it’s happened yet.

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Post by qingcharles »

TechBro8615 wrote: post #499
zeitgeistcowboy wrote: post #485

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While people in the 1850s probably would not have been able to fix or turn the iPad on they would have been able to examine it. They could have taken it apart and looked at the various materials and perform physical and chemical tests on them. They could open up some of the electronics and look at them with a microscope. The understanding of electricity, circuits, and electrical devices in the 1850s was developed eno…

Quite generous of you to assume the aliens are only (the equivalent of) ~150 years ahead of us. Would the ancient Egyptians have had as much success reverse engineering an iPad as some Victorian-era scientists? It seems the crucial element (pardon the pun) is that they wouldn't know what to look for. The Victorians knew enough about chemistry that they could figure out the material composition of various components.…

All of that is valid points. But if the USA has retrieved crashed spacecraft then what the hell are these guys doing crashing in the first place? Humans barely lose any important spacecraft to crashes and we've only been playing this game for about 50 years or so.

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Post by CatWChainsaw »

TechBro8615 wrote: post #148
haswell wrote: post #81

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I think that would all depend on how advanced this hypothetical tech is, and the timeframe in which someone wants it known to the public. DARPA may not provide enough cover for sufficiently advanced discoveries that cannot be explained without raising bigger questions. It could also be a misinformation campaign meant for adversaries to make it appear that these hypothetical discoveries are backed by a source that may…

There is also that fermi paradox resolution that basically says the same tech that unlocks infinite energy also unlocks the ability to destroy ourselves. So in theory there could be good reasons for avoiding commercialization of highly advanced technology, if it means that within a century some guy on the street could build an apparatus that destroys the planet in an industrial accident.

AI could unlock the ability to destroy ourselves and we've commercialized that highly advanced technology but it sure didn't stop the majority of people from wondering "should". :P
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