Send the nuttiest of politicians to investigate, it keeps them distracted from important stuff.
(If they are ET, Congress will miss them anyhow.)
US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs
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#502This is a push from Congress to force programs into the open that are secretly capturing Russian/Chinese UAVs right? Folks on the committees are angry that China is trolling US Navy vessels with UAVs and this isn’t being publicized. The “non-earth” origin is the smokescreen, “exotic” covers foreign secret research projects? Something a bit convoluted like this is orders of magnitude more probable in my world model. (…
> This is a push from Congress to force programs into the open that are secretly capturing Russian/Chinese UAVs right? No. The USA has spent the last several decades putting most of its military budget into aircraft carriers, which will all be sunk within the first 24 hours of any conflict with China. This is just a last ditch effort to try to trick China into thinking we might have some kind of deterrent.
Out of curiosity, what happens after China sinks the carriers?
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Here's my post in response to a comment in the "US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles" HN thread[1] from a few weeks ago that addresses this: > Watch the introduction to the 4 hour UAP panel that NASA hosted a few days ago[2], they address this. > According to NASA, even highly trained and experienced pilots can easily be fooled, and often reported UAPs are artifacts of the tec…
Occam's razor tells us it's unlikely that all those unlikely failures happened at once. Videos, multiple eyewitnesses and AEGIS military radars. Lol.
I implore you to watch the NASA UAP panel video, because not only do they explain that it's happened before, it's what they believe is the problem now.
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It's better for adversaries to think you're incompetent or dumb than it is to let them know that you're on to them and/or can defeat their latest measures if it comes down to it. They might try harder next time, and actually outclass you. One aspect of such surveillance missions is to see how the US responds to these incidents, in order to learn about technology and methods that are used and that adversaries might no…
It still seems like a boneheaded and ridiculous way to go about it, when simply not saying anything and running counterintelligence would also work and not make us look like clowns.
The UFO and aliens narratives serve multiple functions domestically, as the government's history with them shows. I figure that's why they're going about it this way instead of just staying silent like they normally would have.
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That was a great podcast, and the entirety of Kean's journalistic research and integrity basically amounts to "I trust Grusch because he seems like a decent guy and I've been told he's trustworthy. But yeah, he's never seen any UFO, just reports and heard people talk about them, but since I trust him, I implicitly trust their words as well." I love how Ezra asks her obvious questions about her research like "how is i…
This thread is full of "I don't want to believe and/or can't". If it's legit, could people itt put down their confirmation bias and handle that we're not the smartest around, not top of the food chain, that our governments have lied to us and kept it wrapped sealed through compartmentalization/removed from oversight through third party contractors for decades, have hidden clean energy tech from tax payers so private…
Or alternatively, not. It's not grand conspiracy, don't pucker up, do continue to think about applications of Hanlon's and Occam's razor.
A stoicism point of view here is that none of your wishful thinking of change would necessarily be good or bad, it's too early to say. And since this is a fantasy grab-basket of meme food, the most likely stoical outcome is that nothing to see here, move along is actually the best choice.
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It's likely because I misparsed the meaning of this sentence: "I would not be surprised in the least to find out that the 9/11 conspiracies were funded by the DoD" thinking that the person I was responding to was suggesting the DoD may have funded the terrorists (a "conspiracy" is a secret plan to do something unlawful). After re-reading, I see now the claim is that the DoD may have funded the truthers- which I know…
By the way, you might be interested to know that recent reporting [0] (by Rolling Stone contributing editor Seth Hettena on the Substack SpyTalk , the media project run by veteran former Newsweek national security reporter Jeff Stein), based on legal filings in Guantanamo Bay cases against 9/11 plotters, suggests that the FBI believes the CIA did fund some of the 9/11 terrorists, in the sense that they were cultivati…
The CIA not sharing information was pretty much the conclusion of the 9/11 report. The CIA cultivating informers (and still not knowing the plans for 9/11) is a long way from what "9/11 Truthers" claim.
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> The US just lost a 20 year war in Afghanistan against cave dwellers with Soviet-era rifles, homemade explosives and random bits from the bottom of a toolbox. To be fair the US left Afghanistan and the remaining Afghani army crumbled to the taliban pretty quickly. I’d say the two situations are very different, the US successfully occupied a country that was ~7000km from them. The Russians have so far failed to take…
To be even more fair, the US lost the War in Afghanistan. It's an unambiguous Taliban victory. That's how it will read in every history book that doesn't have an American flag and a bald eagle on it. 20 years there and all the US did was create a whole new generation of terrorists who will spend the rest of their lives seeking revenge.
We lost, but it wasn't a military loss, it was a catastrophic failure of diplomacy.
We had control for a long time.
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The stanford biologist- Garry Nolan. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garry_Nolan
Haven't some of the materials been found to be manufactured in a way that's not possible with our tech?
I think people have said that, but not in a way that means it's true, or unique, or helpful. Sufficiently advanced metallurgy is indistinguishable from magic.
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This thread is full of "I don't want to believe and/or can't". If it's legit, could people itt put down their confirmation bias and handle that we're not the smartest around, not top of the food chain, that our governments have lied to us and kept it wrapped sealed through compartmentalization/removed from oversight through third party contractors for decades, have hidden clean energy tech from tax payers so private…
Or alternatively, not. It's not grand conspiracy, don't pucker up, do continue to think about applications of Hanlon's and Occam's razor. A stoicism point of view here is that none of your wishful thinking of change would necessarily be good or bad, it's too early to say. And since this is a fantasy grab-basket of meme food, the most likely stoical outcome is that nothing to see here, move along is actually the best…
Not the parent, but how do you explain something like this?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1952_Washington,_D.C.,_UFO_inc...
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> “You spend a lot, but you get the best!” sounds a lot better than “You spend a lot, but we still suck!” This argument doesn't make any sense. The US military is better than the next top three militaries combined. The Ukraine war is showing the superiority of decades old Western tech.
The war in Ukraine is showing that the "superpowers" aren't so super. It's showing just how much of the military superiority is propaganda and nothing more. But we already knew that, because the US just went through what Russia is now going through. The US just lost a 20 year war in Afghanistan against cave dwellers with Soviet-era rifles, homemade explosives and random bits from the bottom of a toolbox. You'd think…
The war is showing that Western superpower tech is far in advance of Soviet and post-Soviet tech (in most areas), but that tech can't win all wars. Russia buys drones from Iran which contain parts from many western companies (most of which were manufactured in China), which I think tells you a lot about the relative levels of technology. I doubt the Ukranians would have made it so far with so much relative success without US intelligence and materiel. if we gave them lots more air assets and they used them well, it would give them a huge advantage over Russia, which seems to have somehow lost its air force.
As for Afghanistan, well, of course never get involved in a land war in Asia. But that wasn't a conventional war, and our military is intended to fight conventional wars. Our forces really are not set up to respond to the Taliban.