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A record-high share of 40-year-olds in the U.S. have never been married

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

22% is a subset of the 25%, meaning there’s still roughly 20% of 40-44 that are not cohabitating and not married. Significantly higher than the 6% decades ago. Which seems to indicate human relationships are indeed in decline (the institution of marriage Is likely also in decline, but it’s not the sole reason for the high percentage)

When you're on the hook for alimony when your ex-GF leaves a toothbrush at your home it makes some think twice.

The economist in me knows that most of the downturn in marriages is due to financial reasons, but the decline in relationships overall makes it clear there’s more to the story.

I wish more research was done in this area, it’s obviously an important one. Dating apps and their consequences seem to be a disaster in the making (if it’s not already here).

Re: A record-high share of 40-year-olds in the U.S. have never been married

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What a shame. I know I got lucky with a great wife.

Going to share my story, I'm sorry how it comes off. If I was better at writing, I'm sure I could sound humble or something. I also did not censor anything controversial, I hope this can give my single people in their 30s and 40s some ideas. Although admittedly the dating market was different.

On growing as a person:

My wife really liked one of the homework assignments I had in my masters degree. She said 'lets do more of this at home'. Later she said 'You should write a book'. It turned me into a serial entrepreneur. It has turned me into a lame video gamer, into someone that gets 15 minutes of fame at conferences. I can see my impact on the world already, its cool that other people have read my work and are debunking myths without me having to jump into a thread to point them out anymore. Not to mention, my skills have skyrocketed past peers since I work on valuable things in the evening. I am obsessed with reading non-fiction now, I didn't expect this as a B student in high school. Happiness is like a 9/10 or 10/10.

On Money:

Having 2 earners mean that we can take risks with one income and always pay the bills.

I have been the big earner in the house for the last 11 years, during this time my wife became a doctor and started a clinic. We never took out loans because I could pay them off. After school she was making some money, which made being a contract worker easier(although I'm so frugal, it was never much of an issue). Now with her clinic, we are looking at ~500k/yr in profit in the next few years, at that point, its easy to sell the business.

Financially it was a great decision.

On Family:

I'm pretty sure that my happiness most likely comes from a successful evolutionary course. Wife + kids (+ financial security). Before kids, my happiness was dependent on my entrepreneurship or if I won in starcraft. The only thing that sucks is having to get a babysitter for evenings. Outside of that, every evening when I pick up the kids from daycare is bliss, even if someone is always crying. Maybe your frontal lobe can deny biology, but the rest of my body cannot. (Also, daycare is great, I tried being a stay at home dad... that sucked)

My tips:

Serial date, I dated 22 people between the ages of 18-19 with only 2 deal breakers(overweight[self control] or bought Apple products[intelligence]). I was probably rejected ~100 times, either outright, or by body language. I always looked for public events and would waste gas to get there. Girl number 22 was the one, Straight A student but never wore makeup. She was a gem. Being shallow, I had her do her hair and makeup a few months into dating. It didn't really matter, today I think she is hot even when she wakes up.

Maybe grab a girl from college, get a masters if you need to. I hate to say things like "The good ones are taken", but I have (girl) friends who are single in their 30s, there is something seriously wrong with all of them. Mostly alcoholism, but more likely a cocktail of other drugs too, and a dash of mental illness.

I was nerdy skinny when I dated these 22 people, but I'd recommend lifting weights, doing your hair, and trying to be a great person.

If your relationship is on the fritz, try MDMA therapeutically. I can't say our relationship was, but it helped us figure out a few controversial issues like where to place TVs in our new house.

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#73
"you will own nothing and be happy". and also single, looks like.

and childless. (assuming you have your genitals intact and that was still a possibility to begin with)

and paying an annual rent to the pharma industry to keep you alive from continuously evolving respiratory disease that shows up every two years, like clockwork.

till the point you get automated away by an AI that you helped train by contributing to discussions like this one, and they don't need you any more.

what a wonderful future..

Re: A record-high share of 40-year-olds in the U.S. have never been married

#74
post #27

I think marriage is overrated. Just a construct of society. You can have kids with a partner, but really no reason to formalize it with “marriage”. I guess there are tax reasons though that make it more logical though.

Tell us about your situation. How many kids do you have? How long have you been living with your partner? If you wanted to quit a job and start a company, would your partner cover your expenses?

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My take is that with the rise of social media and online lives, people have things to fill their time with that are a placebo for real relationships. They work, get home and then doom scroll or play games for 4 hours and go to bed. This eats into the time people used to spend socializing and meeting people in real life. The reduction in religion further eats into this as people would socialize at church, temple, etc. Adding to this is the incredible division between political parties and the social wars now that effectively narrow the options of a mate.

Re: A record-high share of 40-year-olds in the U.S. have never been married

#76

maybe the burden of marriage is just too high to be that perfect husband or wife we’ve all decided to strive to be better, but all we’ve accomplished is to become alone

People don't realize that people change too.

My goofball self has turned quite serious with age. I also have become more ambitious. My wife kind of nudged me a few times.

People can change, but you have to be patient.

Re: A record-high share of 40-year-olds in the U.S. have never been married

#77

Mostly just economics, is my wager. In a classic agrarian economy, having a spouse and making children works out -- more children = more hands = more work done = more food or more product to market. In a modern "pure" capitalist industrial/service economy, the economic model doesn't pay for the cost of the reproduction of the labour it depends on. So not a surprise when people do the same cost-benefit analysis for th…

I think this is part of it, but your framing assumes that people make the choice to not have kids first, and then use that to reach the choice to not "bother" with marriage. I think there are also economic factors pushing against people getting married even if they might want to be married without kids. For example:

- The share of adult children who live with their parents has been increasing -- unsurprising given the cost of housing. But while a millennial might grudgingly get their boomer parents to put up with extended cohabitation, that situation makes it hard to find a mate, and asking a partner to move into your basement bedroom is probably a non-starter.

- Especially prior to the pandemic, there has been a long trend of workers were becoming less mobile. Likely both partners in a marriage need to work, but housing that works for one partners job may not work for the other's.

- The share of workers with multiple jobs (or one 'job' plus gig work) has increased. As you spend more hours working just to stay afloat, of course it's harder to find and nurture a relationship.

Re: A record-high share of 40-year-olds in the U.S. have never been married

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My take is that with the rise of social media and online lives, people have things to fill their time with that are a placebo for real relationships. They work, get home and then doom scroll or play games for 4 hours and go to bed. This eats into the time people used to spend socializing and meeting people in real life. The reduction in religion further eats into this as people would socialize at church, temple, etc.…

At least everything you mentioned was completely optional and there are tons of public places to meet people.

Outdoor malls, hobbies, gym, parties, libraries, book stores, parks, heck ask chatgpt.

F society who says you can't talk to strangers, those are losers. Say Hi, ask about jobs/hobbies, if they arent interested, you can tell from body language. Tell them it was nice talking to them and leave. They won't remember how you cold-opened, heck in 3 days they won't remember you at all.

Re: A record-high share of 40-year-olds in the U.S. have never been married

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You see, your thought processes are part of the problem. > misleads youth in thinking they can make their own reality and that there are shortcuts to success for all. Many people, like myself, are not shooting for "success". We just want to live and hang out with our family and friends. That is success. And the economic structure makes that impossible because everyone else has the idea that success means having to fi…

Why does OP's idea of success have any affect on you living out your idea of success? If you want to stay in your town with your family and friends have at it. If OP wants to make $10 million, then more power to him. He will probably provide jobs to support a dozen people living out your version of success. For everyone to work, there have to be people that want to build and achieve great financial wealth because tho…

Because our society is interdependent. In the case of housing, there has been a growing trend over the past decades of owning more than one home. In that case, to do that you undoubtedly affect people who just want to have a family and comfortable life socializing in their community because you force the price of houses to go up and house stock to become limited, which also forces people to rent ... And to make your investment work you push the rent higher because 'market forces' . . Aka you need to rent high enough to make a comfortable ROI/pay off your mortgage and upkeep with the rental income

This is only one example of what the hyper individualism mixed with capitalism for the sake capitalism creates in terms of disincentives for normal healthy communities

Re: A record-high share of 40-year-olds in the U.S. have never been married

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The chart is just another "wtf happened in 1971" moment. https://wtfhappenedin1971.com/ What happened in 1971? The Nixon Shock, which is when the dollar stopped being convertible to gold after it became evident that the US did not have the gold it claimed to have.

Sorry but it's a lot less conspirational than that. The early 70s is when the long post-war economic boom ended, and corporate profits globally began to contract for an extended period of time, long wave decline. Along with it came a longer term trend of declining take-home earning rights, a huge decline in unionization, waves of inflation followed by severe recessions, etc. The gold standard stuff is hilariously red…

> The gold standard stuff is hilariously reductionist.

Not really. Ending the dollar's convertibility into gold obviously had a severe impact on how foreign economies viewed the US and the dollar. I think it's "hilariously" ignorant to pretend that this wasn't a factor.

The economic reality for the US was that, before this, we just had to print money for the value of $100 worth of gold. Meanwhile, other countries had to produce actual goods or services that were valued at $100 worth of gold.

As multiple countries started repatriating their gold, the US does a rugpull and says we're done with that? It was effectively a US default on debt (which would have happened if we allowed repatriation anyway, because we didn't have enough gold to pay back all of our creditors who wanted their gold).

Yes, there were quite a few factors happening concurrently with this. But I don't see how it's simple to disentangle the effective default on debt denominated in the global reserve currency with all the other global economic volatility at the time. Laundry-listing other things that happened at the same time is not an explanation.

Edit: Just want to point out that, IMO, the real problem was the US was defaulting on our debt. What Nixon did was just like an escape hatch for it where the US did not have to call it what it was and we also got to keep the gold. I agree with you in the sense that I think bad things would have happened with or without Nixon ending the gold standard. But I view that event as a clear sign and catalyst or accelerant for all the volatility that ensued immediately after. I still think it's crazy the US ended up on top after this anyway.

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