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Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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Post by SemioticStandrd » Sat, Jul 01, 2023, 5:13 AM UTC

darknavi wrote: post #121

nunez wrote: post #110

This killed nitter. Fuck. I guess I'm done with Twitter. Reddit is in Eternal September. Twitter is login-walled. If HN is next, I'll probably be mostly done with the Internet. This version of the Internet is starting to suck. :(

It's extremely rough around the edges but getting into fediverse content (mastodon, kbin, lemmy, etc) has been extremely rewarding to me. It's like twitter and reddit but 15 years ago (and by that I mostly mean it's janky and full of bugs. Just like the web was 15 years ago!)

Agree. https://beehaw.org in particular is great

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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Post by dingaling » Sat, Jul 01, 2023, 5:14 AM UTC

chongli wrote: post #387

sakopov wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like how we keep pretending that any of this complicated shit is better than good old phpBB. There are no modern inventions for social interactions which made actual interactions better. They're all incomprehensible UX nightmares used mostly by the loud minority of users on the web (i.e. Twitter actively engages with only 7% of the entire internet user base) who censor each other and then fight over how to make it…

The problems with phpBB are at least two-fold: 1) discovery If I can’t find a forum, it’s not much use to me! 2) single sign-on I don’t want to make a million accounts for a million separate forums. I want one account that I can take with me to every forum. Both of these issues were solved by Reddit. This was its major value-add. The user base brought all of the remaining value with them. This is also the value of th…

> I want one account that I can take with me to every forum.

Why do you want that? Why would you want your identity on a functional programming forum to be the same as on a Star Trek fans site and a furries meetup group?

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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Post by Wildliferanger » Sat, Jul 01, 2023, 5:15 AM UTC

kimixa wrote: post #319

nunez wrote: post #110

This killed nitter. Fuck. I guess I'm done with Twitter. Reddit is in Eternal September. Twitter is login-walled. If HN is next, I'll probably be mostly done with the Internet. This version of the Internet is starting to suck. :(

It feels like the "natural" development of VC funded websites - they offer a service that's heavily subsidized and losing money hand over fist to displace other services (I guess in Reddit's case it was self-hosted forums and similar?). But that's clearly not sustainable, it's inevitable they'll pivot to monetizing the service - and that's clearly going to make it less attractive than the heavily-subsidized version p…

The bigger problem is the plan was basically infinte growth and was only possible due to 0% intrest rates. The last 15 years has been a weird fever dream of free money, now that intrest is a thing again suddenly the infinte spending expansion and figure out profitablity later model is no longer sustianable and reddit twitter google meta ect suddenly have to actually make money again. Basically the internet everyone has been used to for 15 years is dead as the reality of debt suddenly resumes. Expect things to keep getting worse or revert to the old version of the internet of scattered low power sites and forums. Frankly only microsoft is really the only one that has a somewhat sustianable model for an intrest rate enviroment.

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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Post by lastdong » Sat, Jul 01, 2023, 5:22 AM UTC

Grimburger wrote: post #607

ImaCake wrote: post #553

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Electricity markets are a prime example of ideology winning over logic. In Australia, the eastern states have a privatised electricity market while Western Australia has a very limited market with agreements to hold a certain amount of gas fuel at a certain price. Currently the price of electricity is significantly higher in the eastern market than the "less free" western one.

There's absolutely no evidence of privatisation driving up costs in Australia. It's the hysterical marching cry of young naive people railing against the ever-increasingly vague boogeyman of neoliberalism but the actual evidence doesn't back it up. You talk about ideology over logic while demonstrating that exact same thing. > The AER report contains no consistent correlation between higher bills and privatisation. >…

A natural resource lieing solely in the hands of profit-driven private companies. Take a moment to reflect on the potential risks this poses for the average consumer, the consequences of placing profit above all.

Will you entrust your well-being to CEOs and boards whose sole priority is relentless growth and maximizing profits, regardless of the consequences?

Laws can only do so much to prevent vital resources from becoming unaffordable for the very people who deserve them. These companies, with no regard for your, the citizen's, vote or input, prioritize profits above all else. To them, it's just another business move, leaving the consequences behind as they move on to the next venture.

You can argue and consider other ideas, but the higher risk in the private side is always there.

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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Post by worrycue » Sat, Jul 01, 2023, 5:23 AM UTC

zerd wrote: post #618

kakakiki wrote: post #599

From Elon's twitter ( https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1674942336583757825?s=20 ) "This will be unlocked shortly. Per my earlier post, drastic & immediate action was necessary due to EXTREME levels of data scraping. Almost every company doing AI, from startups to some of the biggest corporations on Earth, was scraping vast amounts of data. It is rather galling to have to bring large numbers of servers online on an…

Well they killed the API, what did they think would happen? It's easier to control access and rate limit with a proper API.

I despise Musk as much as anyone else and charging for API access has hurt a lot of valuable use cases like improving accessibility but … how about not massive scraping a site that doesn’t want you to?

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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Post by eropple » Sat, Jul 01, 2023, 5:23 AM UTC

labster wrote: post #414

NelsonMinar wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Data pillaging", WTF does that mean? Remember when Twitter used to give archives of tweets to the Library of Congress? And had a firehose for folks to consume as many tweets as they could?

It means Musk wants OpenAI to pay him.

Not sure anybody wants to be training AI models on the outputs of his Twitter Blue posse.

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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Post by sanderjd » Sat, Jul 01, 2023, 5:24 AM UTC

kakakiki wrote: post #599

From Elon's twitter ( https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1674942336583757825?s=20 ) "This will be unlocked shortly. Per my earlier post, drastic & immediate action was necessary due to EXTREME levels of data scraping. Almost every company doing AI, from startups to some of the biggest corporations on Earth, was scraping vast amounts of data. It is rather galling to have to bring large numbers of servers online on an…

Yeah but he's full of crap; why would we believe anything he says about anything?

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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Post by zirgs » Sat, Jul 01, 2023, 5:27 AM UTC

refurb wrote: post #534

zmmmmm wrote: post #337

It always irked me that public institutions embraced Twitter as a primary means of communication in many cases. It never seemed right that a private company was being put in between public functions and the the public which depends on them. Not to mention, since I live outside the US, a private company in another country. I even wrote complaints to one local public body to ask them to set up a communication channel t…

It never seemed right that a private company was being put in between public functions and the the public which depends on them. But why? It’s always been that way. Before Twitter, it was private radio stations, private TV stations or private newspapers.

Many countries have TV and Radio channels that are funded by the state. The UK has BBC, for example.

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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Post by ncr100 » Sat, Jul 01, 2023, 5:27 AM UTC

12907835202 wrote: post #552

ncr100 wrote: post #504

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. BS artist says more BS. It's a shame that he's not able to escape his pathological belief that his product approach is the right approach, regardless of the grotesque impact he's making on what was a good thing for all of us.

It's funny seeing comments like "was a good thing for all of us" after years of hearing "Twitter is damaging society". I can't tell if it's different people talking now or if people really are that fickle. Probably a bit of both.

Both.

I hold both views.

The subtlety is in whether the User is beholden to Twitter Inc in a Just Along For The Ride sense, or is Creating a Burden for Innocent Others.

Former is most of us, latter is institutions incapable of acting insightfully considering the possible future (this one we now live in).

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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Post by Grimburger » Sat, Jul 01, 2023, 5:30 AM UTC

Grimburger wrote: post #607

ImaCake wrote: post #553

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Electricity markets are a prime example of ideology winning over logic. In Australia, the eastern states have a privatised electricity market while Western Australia has a very limited market with agreements to hold a certain amount of gas fuel at a certain price. Currently the price of electricity is significantly higher in the eastern market than the "less free" western one.

There's absolutely no evidence of privatisation driving up costs in Australia. It's the hysterical marching cry of young naive people railing against the ever-increasingly vague boogeyman of neoliberalism but the actual evidence doesn't back it up. You talk about ideology over logic while demonstrating that exact same thing. > The AER report contains no consistent correlation between higher bills and privatisation. >…

I'm asking anyone to provide evidence of privatisation riving up costs in Australia. It's simply not there. The most privatised state in the country has the cheapest prices, this is undeniable.

Put up your "logic" rather your ideology if you want to convince people otherwise. Downvotes don't count sorry :)

Prices are the cheapest in Victoria, with full privatisation of the network. Prices are also most expensive in South Australia, with nearly full privatisation of the network. No rational person can look at that and proclaim there is a correlation.

We have states with nearly all generation, distribution and transmission being government owned, we also have states completely out of the business. This should be a simple slam dunk to people who loudly make these easily proven claims and yet they never have any proof.

Prices are rising uniformly across the board, including in the heavily government owned states, which coincidently are the worst at rolling out renewables because they are protecting their fossil fuel golden eggs at the expense of the environment.

https://theconversation.com/myths-not-facts-muddy-the-electr...