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Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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Post by gverrilla »

optymizer wrote: post #309
swat535 wrote: post #267

Taking into consideration how much Spez thinks of himself as a Musk, we should be expecting Reddit to implement the same feature soon. We are just sitting by the sideline watching as the internet we all loved slowly dies in the hands of greedy corporations. This is truly a sad state of affairs.

The Internet I loved was full of random forums and text websites. If anything, I'm rejoicing and hoping this will mean less centralized forums. Y'all realize you can just not use reddit and Twitter right? You can host your own forum on the Internet

What is the easiest and cheapest way for me to host my own forum online and invite people I know to talk? Consider I know very little about hosting, web dev, php, etc. I'm actually interested in doing this! Thanks.

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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Post by anon373839 »

agnosticmantis wrote: post #484
robot_no_421 wrote: post #395

Anybody feel like this is ironically going to accelerate the decline of twitter? I'm never, EVER making a twitter account. However publishers still communicate with me via tweets I could see. Now that I need an account to view tweets, publishers just have a smaller audience. I'll just see the screenshots on reddit anyway :)

He needs revenue right now, and the other monetization efforts haven't panned out (blue checks, advertising, etc.). So he's trying to make a quick buck from user-generated data now that the LLM rush is at an all time high. For that he needs to limit access to the data in the first place, otherwise nobody would be paying for publicly available data.

Twitter is full of low-quality garbage, partly due to the culture and partly due to the format. I am very doubtful that it has much value for LLM pretraining OR fine-tuning.

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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Post by Panzer04 »

ImaCake wrote: post #553
ncr100 wrote: post #492

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Privatization is a thing beyond seemingly fundamental online services. Local water systems in Guam are privatized, much to the chagrin of local activists. Elsewhere, there's an article on the guardian just like yesterday about the impact of privatization on either the UK's or some locale inside the UK, for their water usage. Basically the water department is now the highest debt entity in all water departments and it…

Electricity markets are a prime example of ideology winning over logic. In Australia, the eastern states have a privatised electricity market while Western Australia has a very limited market with agreements to hold a certain amount of gas fuel at a certain price. Currently the price of electricity is significantly higher in the eastern market than the "less free" western one.

The western Australian example just demonstrates why petrostates are wealthy - if you have big energy resources you can make stuff cheaper, surprise! And realistically all that's really happening there is west Australia is effectively imposing a tax on gas profits to subsidize the grid. There's no magic success here - just a redistribution of gas profits to electricity consumers.

I don't actually think the Australian grid is a good example of privatisation failure. There's little proof that we have meaningfully lost anything aside from the marching cry of the left.

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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Post by larperdoodle »

javajosh wrote: post #591

What if we just had sites and RSS-like aggregators? You could subscribe directly to the sources you like. You could then publish the aggregation. In turn you could subscribe to an aggregator, and perhaps even reaggregate their content, too. In this way we can have a distributed method of "following" content that we like. Basically this vision is one where everyone run's Google Reader in their browser and, if you're r…

Did you just reinvent the fediverse?

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Post by 111111IIIIIII »

lastdong wrote: post #615
ImaCake wrote: post #553

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Electricity markets are a prime example of ideology winning over logic. In Australia, the eastern states have a privatised electricity market while Western Australia has a very limited market with agreements to hold a certain amount of gas fuel at a certain price. Currently the price of electricity is significantly higher in the eastern market than the "less free" western one.

In the UK, water (Thames Water), the country natural and fundamental resource is owned by a Chinese wealth fund and Canadian Pension funds. How could anyone think this was a good idea?

> How could anyone think this was a good idea?

The profit motive.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_accumulation

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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Post by jupp0r »

zmmmmm wrote: post #337

It always irked me that public institutions embraced Twitter as a primary means of communication in many cases. It never seemed right that a private company was being put in between public functions and the the public which depends on them. Not to mention, since I live outside the US, a private company in another country. I even wrote complaints to one local public body to ask them to set up a communication channel t…

Most governments are not good at setting up websites.

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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Post by u_name »

marcooliv wrote: post #381

Why is so terrible to just open an account? what a drama you're using a service that costs money to run. Everyone here likes to be highly paid but keep complaining for those things. maybe I'm missing something here. Use temp email, create an account and that's it.

Because if twitter decides that your email (address) is too temp, they might ask you for a phone number. And burner phones without (or with low hurdle) registration / verification aren't a thing everywhere.

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Post by kjs3 »

RIMR wrote: post #47
agluszak wrote: post #17

Putting the internet in the hands of corporations was the worst thing that ever happened to technology

The internet was conceived as a democratic haven, a realm where every individual had the potential to influence and shape their digital experience. However, a pervasive dip in technological literacy and a rising dependency on heavily-guided online pathways has begun to shift this balance. If this trend persists, corporations will continue to maintain their overarching dominion. A dynamic, user-driven community still…

Well...that's quite a revisionist history.

The internet was conceived as a DARPA concept of reliable government communications in the face of unreliable transport, among many other research interests. For most of its early existence (through at least the NSFnet incarnation in the US), it was the private preserve of academic, government and military users, along with some of the corporations that supported them and commercial use beyond supporting projects was prohibited (e.g. you couldn't use it for advertising). It was far from a 'Democratic haven'. There were epic flamewars over 'do we let any more commercial content in our private backyard?' and 'why would we let regular people in?'.

However, a pervasive dip in technological literacy...

Right...it's bad we let the proles into utopia. So much for 'democratic havens'.

If you can't get the basic background right, it really damages the credibility of the rest of the screed (which I mostly agree with).

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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Post by UberFly »

zerd wrote: post #618
kakakiki wrote: post #599

From Elon's twitter ( https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1674942336583757825?s=20 ) "This will be unlocked shortly. Per my earlier post, drastic & immediate action was necessary due to EXTREME levels of data scraping. Almost every company doing AI, from startups to some of the biggest corporations on Earth, was scraping vast amounts of data. It is rather galling to have to bring large numbers of servers online on an…

Well they killed the API, what did they think would happen? It's easier to control access and rate limit with a proper API.

"control access and rate limit"

Isn't that basically what they did with the API changes?

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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Post by smetj »

zerd wrote: post #618
kakakiki wrote: post #599

From Elon's twitter ( https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1674942336583757825?s=20 ) "This will be unlocked shortly. Per my earlier post, drastic & immediate action was necessary due to EXTREME levels of data scraping. Almost every company doing AI, from startups to some of the biggest corporations on Earth, was scraping vast amounts of data. It is rather galling to have to bring large numbers of servers online on an…

Well they killed the API, what did they think would happen? It's easier to control access and rate limit with a proper API.

Indeed, spot on.
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