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Ah MTG, the original pay to win game.
As we all know, three were given to the elves, seven to the dwarves, nine to the race of Men, and the one the Dark Lord kept for himself.
OK, true believers, correct me if this anecdote is wrong in some way. So Wizards has put out a few releases of a joke set called "Unglued" where the cards are completely unserious in-jokes, sometimes with unplayable or really meta game mechanics. One Unglued set featured a card whose effect was derived by throwing it in the air and then seeing which other card(s) it landed on. So far so good. But apparently there was…
You might be conflating two things. One is Chaos Orb, a card in the original Magic sets. https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multive... One is Chaos Confetti, a card in one of the Un- sets that you were referring to. https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multive... I don't know if the Chaos Orb play is real or apocryphal. It may be that Chaos Confetti is a reaction to the story behind…
Note that Chaos Confetti, being from Unglued, was never tournament legal. However, Chaos Orb was for a time, being from the original Magic set.
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You might be conflating two things. One is Chaos Orb, a card in the original Magic sets. https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multive... One is Chaos Confetti, a card in one of the Un- sets that you were referring to. https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multive... I don't know if the Chaos Orb play is real or apocryphal. It may be that Chaos Confetti is a reaction to the story behind…
Chaos Confetti is a reaction to the Chaos Orb story -- that's why the flavor text is "And you thought that was just an urban legend." Note that Chaos Confetti, being from Unglued, was never tournament legal. However, Chaos Orb was for a time, being from the original Magic set.
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No, it's just a really expensive game with a subscription model. What's the price to pay to get four copies of each card in every standard set? That's your quarterly subscription fee. It would be pay-to-win if you could do stuff like, pay a fee to take a second card at once during a draft, or tutor a card from your collection during a game, etc...
I think it's pay to win in the sense that there are multiple subscription tiers, and if you only pay for basic, you're not winning against the players paying for gold++.
Uh huh. Why am I reminded of the WATA Games and Heritage Auctions pump and dump scams for video games when a sealed copy of Mario 64 allegedly sold for a million dollars?
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It’s still P2W, because more money = more power. The goal in those situations is to have fun, not win, so inherently P2W is lessened. However that does not mean it doesn’t exist. It’s still a very real problem that’s only getting worse, regardless of whether you care or not.
Somewhat reductively, that means all games are pay to win, because at the extreme, having enough money to retire, devote yourself to the game, hire tutors, etc. = more power.
There's always a genetic component that influences your min and max levels at any given skill.
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I think it's pay to win in the sense that there are multiple subscription tiers, and if you only pay for basic, you're not winning against the players paying for gold++.
I would say, in that sense, there aren't really tiers; it's a continuum, and you can attempt to compete at whatever price point you're willing.
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Chaos Confetti is a reaction to the Chaos Orb story -- that's why the flavor text is "And you thought that was just an urban legend." Note that Chaos Confetti, being from Unglued, was never tournament legal. However, Chaos Orb was for a time, being from the original Magic set.
Since Orb specifies a full rotation of the card during descent, how would the destructive play be ruled? I would imagine that there's some kind of group theory argument that if each individual piece of the card turns over, then the entire card has turned over, but it's not satisfying from a physics perspective. Do you have any rulings from the time?
If someone did try it in a tournament, it probably wouldn't be legal -- why would it be? The text of the card certainly doesn't suggest it ought to be; that's part of why it's a notable story in the first place, that it turns on such an unusual interpretation. There are a number of rulings on how to play Chaos Orb from when it was tournament legal, but I can't find any relating to ripping it up; there's not a need to rule on what's clearly illegal. I don't think most people would be misled by a humorous story, an urban legend -- generally not told about a tournament setting -- into thinking that such a play would be legal in tournament.
A recent video on Rhystic Studies (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dDLQkg5O1o) contains one person claiming that they witnessed someone trying this in a tournament -- presumably influenced by the story rather than the origin of it -- and the person who tried it was disqualified. Whether that actually happened, I don't know, but if so it even further suggests that no, there was no need to make detailed tournament rulings of this.
(Of course, the punchline of the Rhystic Studies account is that the person was disqualified not for the illegal play, but rather for the fact that, by doing so, they had reduced the number of cards in their deck to below the minimum legal size. If the Rhystic Studies story really did happen, though, I think we can infer that this reason was probably given because it was a way to avoid getting into an argument over whether ripping up the card was legal.)