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The One Ring card, Magic: The Gathering’s coveted collectible, has been found

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Re: The One Ring card, Magic: The Gathering’s coveted collectible, has been found

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I wonder how does wizards of the coast adds this card into a packs in a double blind sort of way. Otherwise there would be internal collusion/fraud to self deal.

Huge sorting machines drop cards into packs at amazing speed. All you'd have to do is ceremonially place this card into the "rare" pile and watch the machine whirr. No one would be able to tell which of the hundreds of sealed and plastic-wrapped boxes coming out the other side of the machine contains the card.

Re: The One Ring card, Magic: The Gathering’s coveted collectible, has been found

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The most popular formats of Magic by far are "kitchen table" (totally casual, play with whatever cards you own), and Commander, a casual multiplayer format where super-powerful decks are generally frowned upon. Competitive Magic is a tiny tiny fraction of the overall market. It's also totally possible and reasonable to build competitive decks on Arena with a pure F2P account, if you're into that.

It’s still P2W, because more money = more power. The goal in those situations is to have fun, not win, so inherently P2W is lessened. However that does not mean it doesn’t exist. It’s still a very real problem that’s only getting worse, regardless of whether you care or not.

Somewhat reductively, that means all games are pay to win, because at the extreme, having enough money to retire, devote yourself to the game, hire tutors, etc. = more power.

Re: The One Ring card, Magic: The Gathering’s coveted collectible, has been found

#33
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The most popular formats of Magic by far are "kitchen table" (totally casual, play with whatever cards you own), and Commander, a casual multiplayer format where super-powerful decks are generally frowned upon. Competitive Magic is a tiny tiny fraction of the overall market. It's also totally possible and reasonable to build competitive decks on Arena with a pure F2P account, if you're into that.

It’s still P2W, because more money = more power. The goal in those situations is to have fun, not win, so inherently P2W is lessened. However that does not mean it doesn’t exist. It’s still a very real problem that’s only getting worse, regardless of whether you care or not.

I really hate people making the argument that "it's not pay-to-win, because you can win without paying!".

Pay-to-win doesn't mean you only win if you pay. It just gives you an edge if you do, and it's shitty. This is why I used to like DotA 2, to the extent that someone can like DotA 2, because all purchases were purely cosmetic and didn't affect gameplay at all.

Re: The One Ring card, Magic: The Gathering’s coveted collectible, has been found

#34
post #2

I wonder what ROI is over the years on a card like a Black Lotus?

Median price for a beta Black Lotus in 1994 was ~$15 via Scry Magazine. A lightly played beta Black Lotus currently goes for ~$45,000. Alpha ranges from 150k-1m+ based on grading. So 300,000%+ ROI

That's a roughly 32% per-annum return on the beta card.

Re: The One Ring card, Magic: The Gathering’s coveted collectible, has been found

#35
post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s still P2W, because more money = more power. The goal in those situations is to have fun, not win, so inherently P2W is lessened. However that does not mean it doesn’t exist. It’s still a very real problem that’s only getting worse, regardless of whether you care or not.

Somewhat reductively, that means all games are pay to win, because at the extreme, having enough money to retire, devote yourself to the game, hire tutors, etc. = more power.

As you say, this is so reductive as to be meaningless (it includes all games, so you might as well just say "game"). Pay-to-win means you pay the company to get an edge in the game.

Re: The One Ring card, Magic: The Gathering’s coveted collectible, has been found

#36
I wonder what the chain of custody looked like for this card, from the printer to the store.

I'm reminded of McDonald's Monopoly contest and how the person in charge of security for the game pieces was later found to have stolen and sold them.

Re: The One Ring card, Magic: The Gathering’s coveted collectible, has been found

#37

Ah MTG, the original pay to win game.

No, it's just a really expensive game with a subscription model. What's the price to pay to get four copies of each card in every standard set? That's your quarterly subscription fee. It would be pay-to-win if you could do stuff like, pay a fee to take a second card at once during a draft, or tutor a card from your collection during a game, etc...

Right, it's technically just expensive and that's the thing that may leave some players behind, but I bet that at competitive level, players are not missing any card they need.

Similarly with F1 after the cost caps. If you had 135M you could compete with no monetary disadvantage.

Re: The One Ring card, Magic: The Gathering’s coveted collectible, has been found

#39
It would be funny if some random grandma bought a pack for a kid, and the kid would then take the card, play with it, put it in a pack of other cards, put a rubber band around them, spread some cheeto dust on the card, play with the cards on the ground, etc. :)

Re: The One Ring card, Magic: The Gathering’s coveted collectible, has been found

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post #31

I wonder how does wizards of the coast adds this card into a packs in a double blind sort of way. Otherwise there would be internal collusion/fraud to self deal.

Huge sorting machines drop cards into packs at amazing speed. All you'd have to do is ceremonially place this card into the "rare" pile and watch the machine whirr. No one would be able to tell which of the hundreds of sealed and plastic-wrapped boxes coming out the other side of the machine contains the card.

Buying up mere hundreds of packs for a high chance at a $2m+ shiny sounds like a pretty good deal to me.
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