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Re: Tesla Fleet Telemetry

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Post by belltaco »

creata wrote: post #27
benced wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Privacy advocates should reconcile themselves with the idea that sometimes people want to share their data. If I owned a Tesla, I’d enjoy using this framework to put data about my driving into a google sheet. Private information means the user controls their data. They will often do things privacy advocates don’t like or think are dumb. That’s the privacy advocate’s problem, not the user’s.

If you're using the data yourself, how is that "sharing" your data?

Google Sheets can't be self hosted, so the data must be shared with Google in their scenario.

Re: Tesla Fleet Telemetry

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Post by bytesmith »

Based on the message spec[0], it doesn't look like this can be used to track Full Self Driving disengagements which is a shame. However, for its intended purpose which is presumably to help 3rd parties (eg Hertz) manage fleets it seems like a boon.

[0] https://github.com/teslamotors/fleet-telemetry/blob/main/pro...

Re: Tesla Fleet Telemetry

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Post by jackmott »

moffkalast wrote: post #20
darknavi wrote: post #6

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> “there ain’t nothing you can do about sharing your private data with us” FWIW there are settings in the car to disable certain things. Not sure how much it _actually_ disables though.

Disable and delete seem to just mean "hide from the end user" these days.

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Re: Tesla Fleet Telemetry

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Post by bheadmaster »

sodality2 wrote: post #9
bheadmaster wrote: post #3

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The problem with data is that they can often reveal information you need , but didn't even know you need. The way I understand Tesla's meaning of "data they need" is the data that you know exists, know is useful, and has a predefined purpose. However, blind data mining can often bring insight that may give you an edge over competition, so the unethical data collectors have an advantage. On the other hand, collecting…

> That's how we got algorithms that optimize outrage, because outrage and stress create massive engagement. I mean, in this case, it's not a "problem", it's a predetermined goal. It's not some sort of accident that they optimize for engagement, it's explicitly what they want to optimize for. The fact that it causes harmful interaction isn't an unwanted side effect, at least for the social media company, but a means t…

The assumption is that engagement = good for business. I personally believe it isn't, as I've personally quit all social networks (notwithstanding HN and a few private communities) because they made me addicted and unhappy. Unhappy users stay because they're addicted, and a part of them quits. Happy users stay because they want to.

Not making people unhappy is good for business. Or at least I hope it is...

Re: Tesla Fleet Telemetry

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Post by the_sleaze9 »

moffkalast wrote: post #20
darknavi wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> “there ain’t nothing you can do about sharing your private data with us” FWIW there are settings in the car to disable certain things. Not sure how much it _actually_ disables though.

Disable and delete seem to just mean "hide from the end user" these days.

"Soft delete", and it's a requirement in almost everything

Re: Tesla Fleet Telemetry

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Post by mensetmanusman »

leoh wrote: post #4

>At Tesla we believe that security and privacy are core tenets of any modern technology. Customers should be able to decide what data they share with third parties, how they share it, and when it can be shared. We've developed a decentralized framework: "Fleet Telemetry" that allows customers to create a secure and direct bridge from their Tesla devices to any provider they authorize. Complete non-sequitur. “We care…

"others"

I.e. my own home server.

Re: Tesla Fleet Telemetry

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Post by denysvitali »

jnsaff2 wrote: post #34
denysvitali wrote: post #29

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https://github.com/adriankumpf/teslamate ?

Teslamate is awesome. I've been running it for almost a year and it just keeps on trucking without any issues. Completely open source written in Elixir uses Phoenix LiveView, data in Postgres and provides prebuilt Grafana dashboards as well. Also authentication tokens are done locally and refreshed nicely so no fear of leaking tokens/passwords.

Same positive experience here. I love that tool!

Re: Tesla Fleet Telemetry

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Post by mensetmanusman »

bouke wrote: post #18

Every time Tesla refers to the cars they sold to customers as their ‘fleet’, I get the feeling they don’t really recognise they are no longer the owner of those vehicles. Fleet as defined in Oxford Dictionary: “A number of vehicles or aircraft working together, or under the same ownership.” (edit: use actual Oxford definition)

Terms can change. To me it brings to mind that all the vehicles are sharing training data as a network to improve self driving capabilities.

Re: Tesla Fleet Telemetry

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Post by tamu_nerd »

siliconc0w wrote: post #40

I may be missing something but how do you get your specific client_config deployed to your car? The quickstart says, "Share with Tesla" - do you like send them an email asking nicely?

I had the same question. There doesn't seem to be any information regarding next steps once the server is running.

Re: Tesla Fleet Telemetry

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Post by cryptonector »

jabbequbs wrote: post #35
rondini wrote: post #24

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If an employee at a photo lab was keeping and sharing copies of compromising pictures there would be huge outrage and rightfully so. Just because they have to handle personal data doesn't mean it's acceptable to share and laugh with your colleagues; it should be handled with the utmost respect for your users' privacy.

I have bad news for you. This exact topic has been discussed on my local radio station (in a medium sized city) and loads of callers described working at a photo lab where there was a drawer full of copies of "noteworthy" photos. I think it's apples and oranges though. With a photo lab the customer has deliberately handed over whatever images they want developed, whether the images are private or not. Tesla employees…

If an employee at a hotel planted secret cameras and...

If an vacation rental landlord planted secret cameras and...

Bad news all around.

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