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Re: Tesla Fleet Telemetry

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Post by 015a »

bouke wrote: post #18

Every time Tesla refers to the cars they sold to customers as their ‘fleet’, I get the feeling they don’t really recognise they are no longer the owner of those vehicles. Fleet as defined in Oxford Dictionary: “A number of vehicles or aircraft working together, or under the same ownership.” (edit: use actual Oxford definition)

"Operated as a unit" is not an inaccurate description of Tesla's footprint. Every one of their cars, assuming factory-ish conditions, is sending live, realtime data back to Tesla-owned servers. That data is analyzed, and the output of that analysis impacts the driving behavior of the vehicles in the future (training their AI models). Commands are sent from Tesla's servers to change the operational state of the car every single day (most of the time, I hope, at the behest of the owner, e.g. "turn on the AC").

That's a fleet. You may not like it, but that's what Tesla owners knowingly opt-in to.

Re: Tesla Fleet Telemetry

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Post by benced »

leoh wrote: post #4

>At Tesla we believe that security and privacy are core tenets of any modern technology. Customers should be able to decide what data they share with third parties, how they share it, and when it can be shared. We've developed a decentralized framework: "Fleet Telemetry" that allows customers to create a secure and direct bridge from their Tesla devices to any provider they authorize. Complete non-sequitur. “We care…

Privacy advocates should reconcile themselves with the idea that sometimes people want to share their data. If I owned a Tesla, I’d enjoy using this framework to put data about my driving into a google sheet.

Private information means the user controls their data. They will often do things privacy advocates don’t like or think are dumb. That’s the privacy advocate’s problem, not the user’s.

Re: Tesla Fleet Telemetry

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Post by tyfon »

_ea1k wrote: post #15
Casteil wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>At Tesla we believe that security and privacy are core tenets of any modern technology. Seeing this after the whistleblower/leak regarding Tesla employees having unfettered access to onboard camera footage (and that embarrassing/compromising footage of customers was actively shared internally) is... rich.

That sounds like a subtle mischaracterization of the leak to me. The leak sounded more like, "the teams responsible for tagging data uploaded by Teslas had access to data uploaded by Teslas". The fact that they could share them amongst themselves is also not particularly surprising. While I understand the alarm, it was also completely unsurprising even based purely on the company's public statements about how they us…

You can also have to opt-in data/video collection manually when getting the car in the first place, at least here in Europe.

Re: Tesla Fleet Telemetry

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Post by rondini »

_ea1k wrote: post #15
Casteil wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>At Tesla we believe that security and privacy are core tenets of any modern technology. Seeing this after the whistleblower/leak regarding Tesla employees having unfettered access to onboard camera footage (and that embarrassing/compromising footage of customers was actively shared internally) is... rich.

That sounds like a subtle mischaracterization of the leak to me. The leak sounded more like, "the teams responsible for tagging data uploaded by Teslas had access to data uploaded by Teslas". The fact that they could share them amongst themselves is also not particularly surprising. While I understand the alarm, it was also completely unsurprising even based purely on the company's public statements about how they us…

If an employee at a photo lab was keeping and sharing copies of compromising pictures there would be huge outrage and rightfully so. Just because they have to handle personal data doesn't mean it's acceptable to share and laugh with your colleagues; it should be handled with the utmost respect for your users' privacy.

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Post by oittaa »

leoh wrote: post #4

>At Tesla we believe that security and privacy are core tenets of any modern technology. Customers should be able to decide what data they share with third parties, how they share it, and when it can be shared. We've developed a decentralized framework: "Fleet Telemetry" that allows customers to create a secure and direct bridge from their Tesla devices to any provider they authorize. Complete non-sequitur. “We care…

> Also, un-stated “there ain’t nothing you can do about sharing your private data with us”

Are predditors now coming to this site to spread their "spaceship man bad" propaganda? There are obvious switches that toggle data sharing. A quick googling would have revealed that: https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2017/05/tesla...

Re: Tesla Fleet Telemetry

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Post by ChrisClark »

bouke wrote: post #18

Every time Tesla refers to the cars they sold to customers as their ‘fleet’, I get the feeling they don’t really recognise they are no longer the owner of those vehicles. Fleet as defined in Oxford Dictionary: “A number of vehicles or aircraft working together, or under the same ownership.” (edit: use actual Oxford definition)

This is referencing your own fleet of Tesla vehicles though, like company cars or rental fleet. Not a reference to the Tesla company's fleet.

Re: Tesla Fleet Telemetry

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Post by creata »

benced wrote: post #22
leoh wrote: post #4

>At Tesla we believe that security and privacy are core tenets of any modern technology. Customers should be able to decide what data they share with third parties, how they share it, and when it can be shared. We've developed a decentralized framework: "Fleet Telemetry" that allows customers to create a secure and direct bridge from their Tesla devices to any provider they authorize. Complete non-sequitur. “We care…

Privacy advocates should reconcile themselves with the idea that sometimes people want to share their data. If I owned a Tesla, I’d enjoy using this framework to put data about my driving into a google sheet. Private information means the user controls their data. They will often do things privacy advocates don’t like or think are dumb. That’s the privacy advocate’s problem, not the user’s.

If you're using the data yourself, how is that "sharing" your data?

Re: Tesla Fleet Telemetry

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Post by Casteil »

mlyle wrote: post #19
_ea1k wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That sounds like a subtle mischaracterization of the leak to me. The leak sounded more like, "the teams responsible for tagging data uploaded by Teslas had access to data uploaded by Teslas". The fact that they could share them amongst themselves is also not particularly surprising. While I understand the alarm, it was also completely unsurprising even based purely on the company's public statements about how they us…

I think few who enabled Sentry Mode thought it was reasonably likely that Tesla employees would share titillating personal moments spotted by their cars for the luls.

Exactly. People shouldn't have to worry about their car being a serious privacy risk.

Video footage being shared with/accessible by Tesla should be strictly opt-in - especially for "sentry mode", which is the most likely to catch someone in their skivvies (or worse) in their garage.

Re: Tesla Fleet Telemetry

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Post by denysvitali »

modeless wrote: post #13

This is cool, I've been thinking about building an application that polls the reverse engineered Tesla API, but an officially supported solution sounds much better. Is there any documentation about how users authorize applications? Seems like this allows vehicles to connect directly to your own server instead of having a Tesla server act as intermediary. Will it be free to use then? I guess Tesla is still footing the…

https://github.com/adriankumpf/teslamate ?

Re: Tesla Fleet Telemetry

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Post by inferiorhuman »

_ea1k wrote: post #15
Casteil wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>At Tesla we believe that security and privacy are core tenets of any modern technology. Seeing this after the whistleblower/leak regarding Tesla employees having unfettered access to onboard camera footage (and that embarrassing/compromising footage of customers was actively shared internally) is... rich.

That sounds like a subtle mischaracterization of the leak to me. The leak sounded more like, "the teams responsible for tagging data uploaded by Teslas had access to data uploaded by Teslas". The fact that they could share them amongst themselves is also not particularly surprising. While I understand the alarm, it was also completely unsurprising even based purely on the company's public statements about how they us…

  The fact that they could share them amongst themselves is also not particularly surprising.
It's not that the could, it's that they did.
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