That’s great and all, but I’d settle for my Model 3 Autopilot staying in its lane and not trying to slam me into the median.
Tesla Fleet Telemetry
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Re: Tesla Fleet Telemetry
#32>At Tesla we believe that security and privacy are core tenets of any modern technology. Customers should be able to decide what data they share with third parties, how they share it, and when it can be shared. We've developed a decentralized framework: "Fleet Telemetry" that allows customers to create a secure and direct bridge from their Tesla devices to any provider they authorize. Complete non-sequitur. “We care…
The current situation for third party apps (which do exist, plenty of them) is you either give them your Tesla account username/password (super bad) or an access token that you get by signing into your Tesla account, which is less bad but still gives the app the same access as your full Tesla account.
So yes, by building a framework to allow users to authorize third party apps to receive limited telemetry data without handing over their full Tesla account keys this may allow for an improvement in privacy for those who want to use such apps.
Re: Tesla Fleet Telemetry
#33>At Tesla we believe that security and privacy are core tenets of any modern technology. Customers should be able to decide what data they share with third parties, how they share it, and when it can be shared. We've developed a decentralized framework: "Fleet Telemetry" that allows customers to create a secure and direct bridge from their Tesla devices to any provider they authorize. Complete non-sequitur. “We care…
The current situation for third party apps (which do exist, plenty of them) is you either give them your Tesla account username/password (super bad) or an access token that you get by signing into your Tesla account, which is less bad but still gives the app the same access as your full Tesla account. So yes, by building a framework to allow users to authorize third party apps to receive limited telemetry data withou…
Hard agree. I give my Tesla creds to other third party apps willingly, because I want the benefits those apps offer (we own several Teslas, and both the historical data and remote vehicle control has value add). The effort to move to a more secure auth mechanism is welcomed, and it's my data, so I don't get the outrage. This is part of the value in my purchase decisions, and within the risk appetite of my threat model.
This is also more efficient on Tesla infra (streaming telemetry data), vs aggressive polling (what current apps do, typically slow polling when vehicle updates are minimal, such as when parked, and then switching up to aggressive polling when traveling at speed).
Re: Tesla Fleet Telemetry
#34This is cool, I've been thinking about building an application that polls the reverse engineered Tesla API, but an officially supported solution sounds much better. Is there any documentation about how users authorize applications? Seems like this allows vehicles to connect directly to your own server instead of having a Tesla server act as intermediary. Will it be free to use then? I guess Tesla is still footing the…
https://github.com/adriankumpf/teslamate ?
Teslamate is awesome. I've been running it for almost a year and it just keeps on trucking without any issues. Completely open source written in Elixir uses Phoenix LiveView, data in Postgres and provides prebuilt Grafana dashboards as well.
Also authentication tokens are done locally and refreshed nicely so no fear of leaking tokens/passwords.
Re: Tesla Fleet Telemetry
#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
That sounds like a subtle mischaracterization of the leak to me. The leak sounded more like, "the teams responsible for tagging data uploaded by Teslas had access to data uploaded by Teslas". The fact that they could share them amongst themselves is also not particularly surprising. While I understand the alarm, it was also completely unsurprising even based purely on the company's public statements about how they us…
If an employee at a photo lab was keeping and sharing copies of compromising pictures there would be huge outrage and rightfully so. Just because they have to handle personal data doesn't mean it's acceptable to share and laugh with your colleagues; it should be handled with the utmost respect for your users' privacy.
I have bad news for you. This exact topic has been discussed on my local radio station (in a medium sized city) and loads of callers described working at a photo lab where there was a drawer full of copies of "noteworthy" photos.
I think it's apples and oranges though. With a photo lab the customer has deliberately handed over whatever images they want developed, whether the images are private or not. Tesla employees sharing images from cameras that some people may have plausibly not even known were there feels like much more of a violation.
Re: Tesla Fleet Telemetry
#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
The problem with data is that they can often reveal information you need , but didn't even know you need. The way I understand Tesla's meaning of "data they need" is the data that you know exists, know is useful, and has a predefined purpose. However, blind data mining can often bring insight that may give you an edge over competition, so the unethical data collectors have an advantage. On the other hand, collecting…
> That's how we got algorithms that optimize outrage, because outrage and stress create massive engagement. I mean, in this case, it's not a "problem", it's a predetermined goal. It's not some sort of accident that they optimize for engagement, it's explicitly what they want to optimize for. The fact that it causes harmful interaction isn't an unwanted side effect, at least for the social media company, but a means t…
It is absolutely an accident. Engagement recommender systems do not optimize for outrage, they optimize for engagement. It just turns out that outrage causes engagement. The difference is that at no point is there a human who says "Let's cause outrage!" It's the algorithms that figure out the connection, which is the point being made by the person you replied to.
Re: Tesla Fleet Telemetry
#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
That sounds like a subtle mischaracterization of the leak to me. The leak sounded more like, "the teams responsible for tagging data uploaded by Teslas had access to data uploaded by Teslas". The fact that they could share them amongst themselves is also not particularly surprising. While I understand the alarm, it was also completely unsurprising even based purely on the company's public statements about how they us…
I think few who enabled Sentry Mode thought it was reasonably likely that Tesla employees would share titillating personal moments spotted by their cars for the luls.
I think few who read the comment he was replying to thought that we were discussing what people thought about Sentry Mode data labeling privacy issues and instead about "unfettered access to onboard camera footage".
Re: Tesla Fleet Telemetry
#38congratulations your motor vehicle is now dependent on kubernetes
pov you are headed for a collision and something is wrong. you issue a describe command ...
Type Reason Age
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Normal Sync 100s (x3 over 100s)
Re: Tesla Fleet Telemetry
#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
That sounds like a subtle mischaracterization of the leak to me. The leak sounded more like, "the teams responsible for tagging data uploaded by Teslas had access to data uploaded by Teslas". The fact that they could share them amongst themselves is also not particularly surprising. While I understand the alarm, it was also completely unsurprising even based purely on the company's public statements about how they us…
You can also have to opt-in data/video collection manually when getting the car in the first place, at least here in Europe.
Yep, it's the same in the US
Re: Tesla Fleet Telemetry
#40I may be missing something but how do you get your specific client_config deployed to your car? The quickstart says, "Share with Tesla" - do you like send them an email asking nicely?