Node.js to pass Ruby on Rails in search popularity • Hacker News Board

Re: Node.js to pass Ruby on Rails in search popularity

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Post by f4stjack » Thu, Mar 01, 2012, 3:24 PM UTC

I am not sure whether this is a good thing for node.js or not. Because I only search google if I encounter an error or something that documentation is not clear on. The search ratio for Rails is quite understandable because of its user base, more users, more installations, more problems - especially regarding gem version clashes. But this early search spike in node.js does not compel me to it, at all. I thought "hmm, people experience problems a lot with it I guess".

That's my grain of salt anyway...

Re: Node.js to pass Ruby on Rails in search popularity

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Post by arturadib » Thu, Mar 01, 2012, 3:26 PM UTC

riffraff wrote: post #8

make the graph smaller, and the RoR decline will be much slower, and the actual overcoming does not seem too close http://www.google.com/trends/?q=ruby+on+rails,+node.js&c... (or remove "on" from the first and the search volume increases by 30%) Really, couldn't this be less trollish? node js searches double in one year: http://www.google.com/trends/?q=node.js&ctab=0&geo=all&date=ytd&sort=1

> or remove "on" from the first and the search volume increases by 30%

A more thorough analysis would also require factoring in "node.js", "node", "nodejs", versus "ror", "rails", etc, all with the right intent and right context. That's really tough.

> couldn't this be less trollish?

This isn't scientific, but it's a milestone nonetheless - aren't all milestones arbitrary?

Re: Node.js to pass Ruby on Rails in search popularity

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Post by pragmatic » Thu, Mar 01, 2012, 3:26 PM UTC

mtkd wrote: post #2

Interesting that it has less velocity than Rails did at inception. Less of a revolution?

It doesn't have the 37signals hype machine behind it. For example Ryan Dahl hasn't appeared on any magizine (that I am aware of).

(note: "hype machine" is either a compliment or an insult based on your point of view, however they were very successful marketing Ruby on Rails and themselves. Regardless of my view point, I have to respect that.)

Re: Node.js to pass Ruby on Rails in search popularity

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Post by chewbranca » Thu, Mar 01, 2012, 3:26 PM UTC

This graph is biased by the fact that you're searching 3 words versus one. I personally qualify searches with "rails" throughout the day, but hardly ever actually search "ruby on rails". I imagine most other rails devs do as well, so this graph is missing a substantial amount of rails traffic.

Re: Node.js to pass Ruby on Rails in search popularity

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Post by sdoering » Thu, Mar 01, 2012, 3:27 PM UTC

adrienc wrote: post #3

Try this : http://www.google.com/trends/?q=ruby+on+rails,+node.js,+php&... ;)

Or you could try the original statetment only for Germany: http://www.google.com/trends/?q=ruby+on+rails,+node.js&c...

;-)

Re: Node.js to pass Ruby on Rails in search popularity

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Post by cmelbye » Thu, Mar 01, 2012, 3:30 PM UTC

arturadib wrote: post #12

riffraff wrote: post #8

make the graph smaller, and the RoR decline will be much slower, and the actual overcoming does not seem too close http://www.google.com/trends/?q=ruby+on+rails,+node.js&c... (or remove "on" from the first and the search volume increases by 30%) Really, couldn't this be less trollish? node js searches double in one year: http://www.google.com/trends/?q=node.js&ctab=0&geo=all&date=ytd&sort=1

> or remove "on" from the first and the search volume increases by 30% A more thorough analysis would also require factoring in "node.js", "node", "nodejs", versus "ror", "rails", etc, all with the right intent and right context. That's really tough. > couldn't this be less trollish? This isn't scientific, but it's a milestone nonetheless - aren't all milestones arbitrary?

I'm confused, you say that it would be difficult to accurately picture search traffic, then you say that this is a clear milestone.

Also, I'm sure that the grandparent comment poster is relaxed, it's rather condescending and irrelevant to tell him otherwise. EDIT: parent comment was edited after I posted this.

Re: Node.js to pass Ruby on Rails in search popularity

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Post by Spyro7 » Thu, Mar 01, 2012, 3:30 PM UTC

This graph is completely useless. It is looking at relative Google search query volume.

Of course Node.js search queries are rising. There is a lot of noise being made about the platform, the platform is relatively recent, and people are curious about it.

Of course Ruby on Rails search queries are falling. It has been out for a while, and people have become familiar with it at this point.

In other words, they don't need to google for Ruby on Rails when they can just go to one of the sites that they have bookmarked.

This is not a milestone by any stretch of the imagination.

Re: Node.js to pass Ruby on Rails in search popularity

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Post by zedr » Thu, Mar 01, 2012, 3:32 PM UTC

Search popularity (especially on Google Trends) does not necessarily mean that a technology is trending, or that its adoption is increasing.

Take a look at this comparison for the terms "ruby", "python", and "javascript": http://www.google.com/trends/?q=python,+ruby,+javascript

From the graph, it appears that JavaScript's popularity is fading; I'd say that it has never been higher than in these recent years.

Re: Node.js to pass Ruby on Rails in search popularity

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Post by arturadib » Thu, Mar 01, 2012, 3:34 PM UTC

cmelbye wrote: post #16

arturadib wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> or remove "on" from the first and the search volume increases by 30% A more thorough analysis would also require factoring in "node.js", "node", "nodejs", versus "ror", "rails", etc, all with the right intent and right context. That's really tough. > couldn't this be less trollish? This isn't scientific, but it's a milestone nonetheless - aren't all milestones arbitrary?

I'm confused, you say that it would be difficult to accurately picture search traffic, then you say that this is a clear milestone. Also, I'm sure that the grandparent comment poster is relaxed, it's rather condescending and irrelevant to tell him otherwise. EDIT: parent comment was edited after I posted this.

thanks! comments factored in.

Re: Node.js to pass Ruby on Rails in search popularity

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Post by DevX101 » Thu, Mar 01, 2012, 3:34 PM UTC

riffraff wrote: post #8

make the graph smaller, and the RoR decline will be much slower, and the actual overcoming does not seem too close http://www.google.com/trends/?q=ruby+on+rails,+node.js&c... (or remove "on" from the first and the search volume increases by 30%) Really, couldn't this be less trollish? node js searches double in one year: http://www.google.com/trends/?q=node.js&ctab=0&geo=all&date=ytd&sort=1

In your zoomed in graph. Node.js has increased by about 50%, while R&R has had roughly 0% growth.

I don't see the point you're trying to make.