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US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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Is there anyone else that just doesn't believe any of this ufo stuff whatsoever? The whole thing seems like a massive waste of time and resources when we have real problems that need solving. Where is the evidence of any of this stuff?

Well these are people who also firmly believe in nonsense conspiracy theories pushed by some nutjob on the internet, so this just seems completely in line with their lack of connection to reality.

Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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When they first released the CIA psychic documents I clicked a few at random and my impressions were much different. The papers I read were very much "We're conducting this experiment on remote viewing. Here are our procedures and results."

And the results were...

...that there's a guy who says some other people told him that it totally worked.

Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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Have you actually watched his video on the Gimbal craft? I thought that was a big piece of evidence myself, went into his video at the recommendation of someone here on HN with heavy skepticism, and came out sufficiently convinced it was not actually a UFO. He's also classy with his debunkings. To me that's a big bonus. Other YouTubers whose niche is debunking things seem to love being snarky, sarcastic, and condesce…

I'm not generally a fan of Mick West, particularly when he gets into specific debunkings of videos, because his argumentative framework depends on the same flawed approach as those he's debunking: he starts from the conclusion that the aliens are not here, and then claims any evidence offered against this conclusion is insufficient. He depends on the same fallacy as his opponents. The only difference is the conclusio…

> he starts from the conclusion that the aliens are not here

I'd say assumption not conclusion. It sounds like a good assumption to me.

Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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This is a very narrow perspective. We've only been around for ~200,000 years, only began to take flight 120 years ago, and flew to the moon around 60 years ago. There are billions of habitable planets in our galaxy alone, a good percentage likely harbor intelligent life, and that life could have easily established civilizations that go back millions of years. Should they have developed tech, even at our pace, they ar…

Doesn’t just the idea of a craft - that’s either FTL or teleports - reaching Earth and them having engine trouble, seem a little silly?

I can imagine that if there is FTL or teleport technology, it could have trouble upon arrival at a planet, because at that point it has to switch to a different mode and deal with gravity and air.

If you're teleporting many lightyears, it would be difficult to hit the target exactly - for example, if your distance is off by 0.00001% of the total, you could end up inside the earth.

Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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This is a very narrow perspective. We've only been around for ~200,000 years, only began to take flight 120 years ago, and flew to the moon around 60 years ago. There are billions of habitable planets in our galaxy alone, a good percentage likely harbor intelligent life, and that life could have easily established civilizations that go back millions of years. Should they have developed tech, even at our pace, they ar…

Doesn’t just the idea of a craft - that’s either FTL or teleports - reaching Earth and them having engine trouble, seem a little silly?

Not at all

Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

#567

Let's look at this as rationally as possible: People have been claiming to see UFOs for years, ever since the popularization in mass media with the start of "the war of the worlds". In nearly all cases, even (at the time) credible sightings were advanced weapons programs. Additionally, with the proliferation of everyone having access to relatively high quality cameras, the amount of "legitimate" sightings has dropped…

> Ok, maybe it's a secret weapons program we don't know about. The problem with this is that there is no evidence to support it. No one has ever leaked anything about a secret propulsion mechanism that can do 1000+ Gs. On the other hand, there have been those who have leaked information about secret UAP programs. Congress seems to be if the opinion that the latter is the more likely of the two, which makes sense when…

Yeah, makes sense, I was just running through my train of thought to eliminate all other possibilities. I agree with you.

Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

#568
Well, if Marco Rubio said it, it MUST be True!!!

Like Chinese bioweapons spreading worldwide and the Cheeto having his election "stolen". He's a real fact checker that guy...

(of course, if you want to consider naturally spreading infections, the flu has been an annual chinese bioweapon for hiundreds of years)

Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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Honestly, Mick West reaches hard for any way to debunk everything and his conclusions on certain subjects are just flat out ridiculous. Ex: Suggesting that what kids saw at the Ariel school sighting were just puppeteers. Those kids are now adult professionals and have stuck to what they saw. Don't take my word, have an open mind and watch the past and recent interviews with them. Was great to see him put in his place…

> Those kids are now adult professionals and have stuck to what they saw. Knowing what we know about memory, that is not at all surprising.

Too many eyeballs, how could that many people maintain a conspiracy to delude the public? Someone would crack.

Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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> she cites the now-discredited "Gimball Video". (sic) When/where/by whom was the Gimbal video discredited? I’m especially curious because I’m somewhat of an “expert” in the area (having worked on those sensor systems and seen tons of footage in a former life) and I think it’s a legitimate object of some sort [1]. Though I don’t believe it’s extraterrestrial. 1. Eg. The footage of a purported object speeding right ov…

I find the gimbal one to be… really dumb. The navy releases a video called gimbal and doesn’t say anything. Later experts look at it and say, “looks like gimbal lock”. And what… people don’t believe that the navy also concluded it was gimbal lock?

Based not on the video but on the testimony of the pilots.
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